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World Traveler
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 Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:59 pm Post subject: GEPIK to cut salaries, reduce vacation time |
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| Most of all, new salary decision criteria was a huge difference and now everyone must complete TESOL program in order keep your contract within GEPIK program. |
http://waygook.org/index.php/topic,27455.0.html
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| Rural extra 5 days vacation is no more available in GEPIK Program. |
Previously, certified teachers got 2.2 million per month. Under the new pay scale, their earnings will be 2.0 million per month. (That means a 2.6 million reduction in salary over the course of a one year contract.)
Will people still jump at the chance to work for GEPIK? Probably. (But it will be interesting to see what happens.) |
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thebektionary
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I just got offered a GEPIK job after working at two different hagwons and I'm going to take it even though I will be making the same salary I did at the hagwons, even after a year experience and a TEFL certification.
It's still a better job than a hagwon that includes six times the vacation and way less teaching hours so I don't really care about the salary as much.
I say it's better to cut the salaries than cut the jobs altogether. |
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World Traveler
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| So if I taught at a hagwon again I could potentially make 2.3. |
I'd say you are taking a pay cut to work with GEPIK then. Because with your TEFL certification you will now be starting at 2.0 million a month, meaning you will make 3.9 million less per year at GEPIK than at a hagwon. But if 3,900,000 won is an insignificant amount of money for you, and if you are convinced GEPIK is the better job, go for it. |
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koreatimes
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| includes six times the vacation |
Deskwarming job, meet thebektionary.
thebektionary, meet deskwarming job. |
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plchron
Joined: 26 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| And you can make more money working in another school district. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| I work fewer hours at my hagwon and don't have to deal with coteachers. I do miss the extra week and 2 days of vacation time, but I don't feel as though I need it as much as I did when I worked at a public school. |
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Airborne9
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder if they will start saying that the 100 hr online TEFL course is not good enough. |
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Malislamusrex
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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If it wasn't obvious before it is obvious now...... GEPIK don't want teachers with any experience at their schools. A certified teacher could get better pay at a hakwon for 5 hours and don't have to deal with co-teachers.
The reason GEPIK don't want teachers because they can throw the 'teachers' with no experience under the bus if they ever get questioned on educational procedures.... POLITICS FIGHTING!!!!!! |
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ttompatz
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Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
If it wasn't obvious before it is obvious now...... GEPIK don't want teachers with any experience at their schools. A certified teacher could get better pay at a hakwon for 5 hours and don't have to deal with co-teachers.
The reason GEPIK don't want teachers because they can throw the 'teachers' with no experience under the bus if they ever get questioned on educational procedures.... POLITICS FIGHTING!!!!!! |
Actually, they increased the minimum requirements while reducing the remuneration package (or more correctly, increased the requirements needed at each level with no increase in pay).
They are taking advantage of the flood of economic refugees from the States by getting more for less and there are enough desperate, laid-off Americans (including real teachers) who will accept 2.0 for 22 classes + all the rest that goes with it.
Makes perfect sense - supply and demand. Sucks to be a newbie coming from the States though (with fewer viable options and a planet willing to take advantage (returning the favors for the last 50 years)).
On the bad side, hagwans are headed in the same direction with average starting salaries dropping 10-20% over the last 2 years and more people willing to accept the lower salaries and nonsense because there is nothing else for them.
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thebektionary
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| thebektionary wrote: |
| So if I taught at a hagwon again I could potentially make 2.3. |
I'd say you are taking a pay cut to work with GEPIK then. Because with your TEFL certification you will now be starting at 2.0 million a month, meaning you will make 3.9 million less per year at GEPIK than at a hagwon. But if 3,900,000 won is an insignificant amount of money for you, and if you are convinced GEPIK is the better job, go for it. |
No, my pay scale in GEPIK now is 2.1, not 2.0. And in hagwons I have been offered mostly 2.2. It's hard to get 2.3 out of them. So in reality it's only 1.3 million won a year. I'd say it's worth it to not take a risk with a hagwon. The hagwon I was just offered to work at is 2-9 every day but in the summers and winters it's intensive so it's 9-6 with only 5 days paid vacation and 5 days unpaid. GEPIK is sounding better than that, even if I am getting 100,000 won less per month. |
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Malislamusrex
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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The flood of American / Waygooks will become a trickle if salaries go down and their are changes to their lifestyle.
This happened in the organisation I used to work for, there was a fire-storm to get rid of people to slash budgets and get rid of the untalented people, but the opposite happened, all the talented guys left, the only guys that stayed were people who had no other options.
If the government increase the minimum requirements while reducing remuneration packages they will encourage those with qualifications to leave. The only people that stay in Korea are those with really nice extras and vacation deals, no one is going to stay in the PS system when they get capped at 2.6 mil and 20 days off.... accept as you say the new teachers who are happy to work anywhere.
What will happen is the saturation point will come and 'teachers' will look at their situation and realise their budget is reduced and seek opportunity elsewhere, probably China. The Korean government is either banking on unlimited HR capital (not going to happen), or they are actually encouraging people to leave because it is much politer than firing their waygook staff.
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
If it wasn't obvious before it is obvious now...... GEPIK don't want teachers with any experience at their schools. A certified teacher could get better pay at a hakwon for 5 hours and don't have to deal with co-teachers.
The reason GEPIK don't want teachers because they can throw the 'teachers' with no experience under the bus if they ever get questioned on educational procedures.... POLITICS FIGHTING!!!!!! |
Actually, they increased the minimum requirements while reducing the remuneration package (or more correctly, increased the requirements needed at each level with no increase in pay).
They are taking advantage of the flood of economic refugees from the States by getting more for less and there are enough desperate, laid-off Americans (including real teachers) who will accept 2.0 for 22 classes + all the rest that goes with it.
Makes perfect sense - supply and demand. Sucks to be a newbie coming from the States though (with fewer viable options and a planet willing to take advantage (returning the favors for the last 50 years)).
On the bad side, hagwans are headed in the same direction with average starting salaries dropping 10-20% over the last 2 years and more people willing to accept the lower salaries and nonsense because there is nothing else for them.
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
The flood of American / Waygooks will become a trickle if salaries go down and their are changes to their lifestyle.
This happened in the organization I used to work for, there was a fire-storm to get rid of people to slash budgets and get rid of the untalented people, but the opposite happened, all the talented guys left, the only guys that stayed were people who had no other options.
If the government increase the minimum requirements while reducing remuneration packages they will encourage those with qualifications to leave. The only people that stay in Korea are those with really nice extras and vacation deals, no one is going to stay in the PS system when they get capped at 2.6 mil and 20 days off.... accept as you say the new teachers who are happy to work anywhere.
What will happen is the saturation point will come and 'teachers' will look at their situation and realize their budget is reduced and seek opportunity elsewhere, probably China. The Korean government is either banking on unlimited HR capital (not going to happen), or they are actually encouraging people to leave because it is much politer than firing their waygook staff. |
The difference is not just the budget slashing but the exceptional increase in the number and quality of desperate people willing to get on a plane since there are no jobs for teachers at home, plane tickets are paid for and startup costs are minimal.
Will it have the opposite effect in time = yes.
In the short run = no (too many desperate Americans).
Will they have to adjust things over time as the number of Americans decrease = yes
BUT
The very nature of ESL is transient so the long term retention of staff was never an issue. With a few exceptions F2s and F5s who are sort of stuck here the turnover rate of 50% will ensure short memories.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| thebektionary wrote: |
| So if I taught at a hagwon again I could potentially make 2.3. |
I'd say you are taking a pay cut to work with GEPIK then. Because with your TEFL certification you will now be starting at 2.0 million a month, meaning you will make 3.9 million less per year at GEPIK than at a hagwon. But if 3,900,000 won is an insignificant amount of money for you, and if you are convinced GEPIK is the better job, go for it. |
Most hakwons pay 2.1 or 2.2 . Few pay 2.3+. That is definitely not the norm. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
If it wasn't obvious before it is obvious now...... GEPIK don't want teachers with any experience at their schools. A certified teacher could get better pay at a hakwon for 5 hours and don't have to deal with co-teachers.
The reason GEPIK don't want teachers because they can throw the 'teachers' with no experience under the bus if they ever get questioned on educational procedures.... POLITICS FIGHTING!!!!!! |
Must be why they are INCREASING requirements then... 
Ever think of checking FACTS before you post...just a hint. |
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thebektionary
Joined: 11 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
| thebektionary wrote: |
| So if I taught at a hagwon again I could potentially make 2.3. |
I'd say you are taking a pay cut to work with GEPIK then. Because with your TEFL certification you will now be starting at 2.0 million a month, meaning you will make 3.9 million less per year at GEPIK than at a hagwon. But if 3,900,000 won is an insignificant amount of money for you, and if you are convinced GEPIK is the better job, go for it. |
Most hakwons pay 2.1 or 2.2 . Few pay 2.3+. That is definitely not the norm. |
Yeah, I just said that. I've only been offered 2.3 once and that job fell through. Every other time it's been 2.2. |
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