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Rteacher

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pedrotaves
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| this is really funny. particularly liked "preaches to you about how preachy vegans are" |
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The Cosmic Hum

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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:24 am Post subject: |
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I enjoyed that too. Thanks Rteacher.
Love the creative humor.
"Vegetarian: Indian word for bad hunter."  |
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Underwaterbob

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| I just got "Passive-Aggressive" and "Mindless Yes-men" on my Self-Righteous Vegetarian Bingo card. |
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pkang0202

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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 2:13 am Post subject: |
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Here's my response to why do you eat meat:
It tastes DELICIOUS! |
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The Cosmic Hum

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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Here's my response to why do you eat meat:
It tastes DELICIOUS! |
Bingo!  |
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Rteacher

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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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If taste trumps everything - and human flesh reportedly tastes great - then MacCannibals might someday become a trendy fast food chain.
In ancient vegetarian cultures, it was understood that the stimulating taste that most people think can only be gotten from the flesh and blood of slain animals is essentially present in clarified butter (ghee) - which at least theoretically can be obtained without violence and used in cooking.
Of course, vegans note that most big dairies abuse and kill cows and also speculate that cows' milk is not naturally intended for human consumption. I think the way that cows are unnaturally treated/fed/drugged and the way milk is overprocessed has made it much less healthful than it should be, but it can still be good for most humans - especially kids. (And spiritual leaders including Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna all drank cows's milk).
This Wikipedia article on "taboo foods" is interesting - despite its "multiple issues" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taboo_food_and_drink |
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brickabrack
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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You are what you eat, right?
People should do what they want to do.
Too bad most people do ignorant sㅐl ㅜ |
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Underwaterbob

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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| In ancient vegetarian cultures, it was understood that the stimulating taste that most people think can only be gotten from the flesh and blood of slain animals is essentially present in clarified butter (ghee) - which at least theoretically can be obtained without violence and used in cooking. |
I'm sorry, but this is not the same thing as this. |
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Poltergeist
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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The statements on that Bingo card are not really worth responding to, with a couple of important exceptions.
If anyone reading this is genuinely worried about nutrition or feels they can't put a workable plan together, here are a few helpful resources: http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/2003_ADA_position_paper.pdf; http://www.theveganrd.com; http://jacknorrisrd.com; http://www.compassionatecook.com.
It's unfortunate that some people still feel "different" from other animals in any positive sense of the word, and that they feel entitled to hurt other beings for no real reason other than taste and convenience. If you go to www.arzone.ning.com, listen to some of the podcasts and read some of the transcripts, you'll see not everyone feels that way. ARZone's members/administrators tend to carry on more intelligent discussions than we usually see here at Dave's, and I encourage anyone with a serious interest in morality/ethics to join. |
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Rteacher

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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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My understanding of Vedic spiritual science in this regard is that the souls of animals (and plants) are spiritually equal to the souls embodied in human forms, but the human form is more important than other life forms because only humans have consciousness developed enough to philosophically understand and realize the self beyond the material bodily conception of life.
Animals (and less developed species) progressively transmigrate to higher species until they attain the human form. The spirit-soul is eternal and thus is not slain when the body is slain, but due to karma incurred when in the human form, each individual soul has to remain embodied within a particular species for a karmically predetermined number of breaths. If an animal is killed before its predestined time, it must take birth within the same species again until its time is up.
Generally, humans can survive on vegetarian food but when it becomes a matter of survival, animals (and of course plants) can be killed and eaten with minimal karmic reaction - since the human form of life is the most valuable vehicle for attaining liberation from the evolutionary cycle of repeated births and deaths.
More here ... http://www.stephen-knapp.com/vegetarianism_recommended_in_Vedic_scripture.htm |
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warmachinenkorea
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
My understanding of Vedic spiritual science in this regard is that the souls of animals (and plants) are spiritually equal to the souls embodied in human forms, but the human form is more important than other life forms because only humans have consciousness developed enough to philosophically understand and realize the self beyond the material bodily conception of life.
Animals (and less developed species) progressively transmigrate to higher species until they attain the human form. The spirit-soul is eternal and thus is not slain when the body is slain, but due to karma incurred when in the human form, each individual soul has to remain embodied within a particular species for a karmically predetermined number of breaths. If an animal is killed before its predestined time, it must take birth within the same species again until its time is up.
Generally, humans can survive on vegetarian food but when it becomes a matter of survival, animals (and of course plants) can be killed and eaten with minimal karmic reaction - since the human form of life is the most valuable vehicle for attaining liberation from the evolutionary cycle of repeated births and deaths.
More here ... http://www.stephen-knapp.com/vegetarianism_recommended_in_Vedic_scripture.htm |
So you're a vegetarian because of this religion? |
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Kwangjuchicken

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
Here's my response to why do you eat meat:
It tastes DELICIOUS! |
Bingo!  |
And if it is some kind of meat that you have never had before, they tell you it tastes like me.  |
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Rteacher

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
My understanding of Vedic spiritual science in this regard is that the souls of animals (and plants) are spiritually equal to the souls embodied in human forms, but the human form is more important than other life forms because only humans have consciousness developed enough to philosophically understand and realize the self beyond the material bodily conception of life.
Animals (and less developed species) progressively transmigrate to higher species until they attain the human form. The spirit-soul is eternal and thus is not slain when the body is slain, but due to karma incurred when in the human form, each individual soul has to remain embodied within a particular species for a karmically predetermined number of breaths. If an animal is killed before its predestined time, it must take birth within the same species again until its time is up.
Generally, humans can survive on vegetarian food but when it becomes a matter of survival, animals (and of course plants) can be killed and eaten with minimal karmic reaction - since the human form of life is the most valuable vehicle for attaining liberation from the evolutionary cycle of repeated births and deaths.
More here ... http://www.stephen-knapp.com/vegetarianism_recommended_in_Vedic_scripture.htm |
So you're a vegetarian because of this religion? |
Yeah - I think that a lot of people (including George Harrison and the rest of the Beatles) were directly/indirectly influenced to become vegetarian when the Hare Krishna movement rapidly spread from the mid-'60s till mid-'70s. Their Higher Taste cook book can be viewed free online...
http://198.66.252.231/col/books/VEG/ht/
http://www.harekrsna.com/practice/prasadam/cookbooks/highertaste.htm#_Toc32894304 |
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The Cosmic Hum

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| warmachinenkorea wrote: |
| Rteacher wrote: |
My understanding of Vedic spiritual science in this regard is that the souls of animals (and plants) are spiritually equal to the souls embodied in human forms, but the human form is more important than other life forms because only humans have consciousness developed enough to philosophically understand and realize the self beyond the material bodily conception of life.
Animals (and less developed species) progressively transmigrate to higher species until they attain the human form. The spirit-soul is eternal and thus is not slain when the body is slain, but due to karma incurred when in the human form, each individual soul has to remain embodied within a particular species for a karmically predetermined number of breaths. If an animal is killed before its predestined time, it must take birth within the same species again until its time is up.
Generally, humans can survive on vegetarian food but when it becomes a matter of survival, animals (and of course plants) can be killed and eaten with minimal karmic reaction - since the human form of life is the most valuable vehicle for attaining liberation from the evolutionary cycle of repeated births and deaths.
More here ... http://www.stephen-knapp.com/vegetarianism_recommended_in_Vedic_scripture.htm |
So you're a vegetarian because of this religion? |
Yeah - I think that a lot of people (including George Harrison and the rest of the Beatles) were directly/indirectly influenced to become vegetarian when the Hare Krishna movement rapidly spread from the mid-'60s till mid-'70s. Their Higher Taste cook book can be viewed free online...
http://198.66.252.231/col/books/VEG/ht/
http://www.harekrsna.com/practice/prasadam/cookbooks/highertaste.htm#_Toc32894304 |
I think one of the biggest obstacles to overcome with vegetarianism is the religious association with it.
If science, logic, and health played a more influential role, perhaps more people would open their minds to the possibilities of it as a life choice.
As it is...it comes off as a bit of a lunatic fringe cult.
It really is an unfortunate association to have with something that has potential and obvious benefits to the greater good of all living species. |
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