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lyonhead
Joined: 05 Oct 2011
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 Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:30 pm Post subject: Enrico Palazzo is a *beep* |
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MOD team member Enrico Palazzo is a fascist, racist, ignorant dick. Not only has he suspended more accounts and blocked more users for trivial things than any other MOD member, but his most recent actions should call for his removal of MOD privileges and possibly an organized attack on eslcafe itself.
A Muslim posted a perfectly harmless question about where to find more Muslims. Seeing as how he belongs to a super minority here in Korea, it's reasonable that he would ask around about where to find others like himself.
After a few very helpful posts, Enrico decided to lock the thread because people were being "too nice" to him. He then said the only reason we were helping him is because we're all just liberals who hate Christianity.
Enrico is an uptight Christian moron. He can't stand that people were being nice and helpful to someone of a different religion than he belongs to so he decided to abuse his power and lock that thread.
Not only that, but he brought politics and religion bashing into a general discussion thread. He violated the very rules he's been trusted to enforce. This crosses the line. The MOD team has been excessive in the past, but breaking the rules, and then preventing anyone from defending themselves is going too far.
I will be emailing Dave, along with every other administrator for the Korean forum and ask them to remove Enrico Palazzo from the MOD team. (And yes, I'm aware this will probably be deleted within a few minutes by Mr. Palazzo himself - but rest assured, I have hidden my IP and have several other user names you'll never be able to trace. I will post this thread continuously until you are banned from this site for your abuses of power.) |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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When you e-mail, Dave, be sure to inform him that your entire OP is false. That should really help your cause. Here's what the mod in question posted in that thread:
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There will be no posts period about religion or asking if there are people of a certain religion.
At any rate, OP, don't post asking for people of your religion whatever that religion may be. If other posters see such posts, we're going to want to pull them, so alert us.
I'm secular, but I think if people knew how to respect people of various faiths then we wouldn't have more of a blanket policy regarding this. |
It's not Palazzo's fault that you don't have a clue as to what a blanket policy is. |
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macandcheese
Joined: 27 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
When you e-mail, Dave, be sure to inform him that your entire OP is false. That should really help your cause. Here's what the mod in question posted in that thread:
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There will be no posts period about religion or asking if there are people of a certain religion.
At any rate, OP, don't post asking for people of your religion whatever that religion may be. If other posters see such posts, we're going to want to pull them, so alert us.
I'm secular, but I think if people knew how to respect people of various faiths then we wouldn't have more of a blanket policy regarding this. |
It's not Palazzo's fault that you don't have a clue as to what a blanket policy is. |
I read the original post by Enrico. He has since edited it. He really did say it was just liberals that hate Christianity. |
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macandcheese
Joined: 27 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Further, there is a thread about a 40 year old Christian looking to find other Christians. It was allowed to go on for 2 pages and was only locked because people began bashing Christianity (fair enough.) But the Muslim thread was locked instantly just because he was looking for other Muslims.
Clear bias. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| macandcheese wrote: |
Further, there is a thread about a 40 year old Christian looking to find other Christians. It was allowed to go on for 2 pages and was only locked because people began bashing Christianity (fair enough.) But the Muslim thread was locked instantly just because he was looking for other Muslims.
Clear bias. |
The Muslim thread predated the Christian thread. Regardless: IBTL. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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Before I lock this for those who don't know me and just arrived yesterday to these shores. We have pulled many posts in the past that included Islamophobia because we don't accept Christian bashing, Islamophobia, or homophobia in the name of allowing discussions for religion and open debates. We tried. We've pulled posts where people bashed Christians, we've pulled posts from posters who stated they were religious and engaging in vicious homophobia. The Mod team does not favor any religious group or faith, period and the moderating team tries to be consistent and have things across the board. Don't get self-righteous with us. Also, the Mod stated that it's unfortunate that some Liberal posters want to trash the Christians. What's the point of that?
The thread about a Muslim looking for Muslims was a rather old thread. And people behaved great on that one. I resurrected it because we have a blanket policy regarding discussing religion. Since we locked the previous one, the other one had to be. A moderator saw the Christian looking for other Christians post before. It was posted before and removed. The OP posted it again.
It was removed for a reason by the Mod. We would love to be open to you all discussing whatever religious group you belong to and how you want to meet or even what you believe, but people can't handle it in many cases. Anyway, the original thread by the 40 year old was removed, and the mod had a point. The way the thread went illustrated that.
Some OP after a moderator removed his thread about Christianity, posted it again. In theory, we have no problem with people looking for people who want to be part of a chess, atheist, Muslim, Christian, or Church of the Mother, or if you worship the moon.
We don't care. We care about the TOS, professionals in South Korea, caring about the majority of you. We don't favor anyone. We don't want headaches. That's all. Some of us mods tried to be fair and see about being flexible with that fellow seeking like-minded people, but he violated our rule by re-posting it. Never re-post a thread that has been removed. It has been removed for a reason.
As you can see, some of us of try to be fair, but we saw how people try to take advantage of that and then make false accusations. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
When you e-mail, Dave, be sure to inform him that your entire OP is false. That should really help your cause. Here's what the mod in question posted in that thread:
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There will be no posts period about religion or asking if there are people of a certain religion.
At any rate, OP, don't post asking for people of your religion whatever that religion may be. If other posters see such posts, we're going to want to pull them, so alert us.
I'm secular, but I think if people knew how to respect people of various faiths then we wouldn't have more of a blanket policy regarding this. |
It's not Palazzo's fault that you don't have a clue as to what a blanket policy is. |
I read the original post by Enrico. He has since edited it. He really did say it was just liberals that hate Christianity. |
No, I wrote "some" Liberals insist on bashing Christians and trying to show them how certain people have no right to believe in X, Y, Z. It's not respectful, bad manners. I'm a Liberal in some ways by the way. We don't want to discuss people's faith, we don't people disrespecting each other, we want the forums clean. I'm giving you the courtesy and explaining things and clarifying what was said. Extremists from any camp are a problem. No group is immune. While I understand, personally, why some want to bash certain religions based on bad experiences, that I can understand, it's not needed. We're all adults. Some fellow mentioned Dexter to the 40 year old OP. Come on. Not needed.
And the person who commented that the Muslim thread was there days before was correct. It was simply resurrected to clarify the blanket policy. The 40 year old OP complained that that older thread existed, and it was not fair. Perhaps, a moderator did not see it. It was resurrected. We're trying to be consistent. Those not noticing that it was older and bumped up could come up with the wrong conclusion. It's about respect. We could care less what anyone believes, just don't tread on me, respect each other, don't harm others -see no evil, hear no evil.
Don't post threads that are removed, and the way was handled confirmed that such threads even when they're seemingly innocuous lead to chaos.
I clarified things for the benefit of some. Next time, there will be zero flexibility and such threads will be removed when seen and if an OP puts it back, he/she will be sanctioned, and we don't care if he/she believes is Swiss cheese or zero. It's very understandable that people who haven't seen the many posts we've had to remove related to Christians bashing people, Muslims being bashed, gay people being bashed, wouldn't understand what we have go through. It's annoying and disappointing. Send us reports if you see any posts that deal with religion.
For those seeking people of your faith, do on-line search. We don't allow religion related threads. No offense. It's not about us Mods. We're volunteers and we respect that people don't have faiths or have one. It's not an issue. It's how people want to make the forums/fora their podium for bad behavior.
Happy Seollnal. Enjoy yourselves.
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| How about if the OP had asked 'Are there any mosques?'. Would that be counted as a religious question or not? |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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With respect to the tricky decisions the mods have to make about these kinds of topics, I personally feel a blanket ban is the wrong strategy.
I'd like to see religious topics allowed and if/when they got combative they could be moved to the Current Events for a good old 50 page debate. Of course, offensive language and personal attacks could still be moderated. |
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Enrico Palazzo
Mod Team
Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
With respect to the tricky decisions the mods have to make about these kinds of topics, I personally feel a blanket ban is the wrong strategy.
I'd like to see religious topics allowed and if/when they got combative they could be moved to the Current Events for a good old 50 page debate. Of course, offensive language and personal attacks could still be moderated. |
I get your point, but it, unfortunately, tends to degenerate. We have jobs. We can't be here 24/7 and every minute and the topics that mention religion, based on experience, tend to degenerate, and that's the fault of certain kinds of posters who post on here who can't restrain themselves. It's not because we wanted to have such a policy.
People seem to think moderators can be everywhere and just have psychic powers to know when TOS violations will occur and remove posts or simply just move threads with religion out there. Pretty much all the time, these posts that have religion in them involve bashing. This is not a Vienna Cafe or Paris Cafe with intellectuals discussing philosophy. This is Dave's ESL while I sympathize with your point. This policy is not going to change for the foreseeable future, and we did it for the sake of the majority of EFL professionals who want a clean forum with less rubbish on there.
That decision is not perfect in your mind. I understand that. We're dealing with so many problematic posters. You don't seem to understand that, and thinks it's so easy to be everywhere. Those who want to blame Mods on this, should focus on their fellow posters. They're the reason this policy exists. Not us. We have no problem discussing these topics in real life.
Mod decisions are not going to be perfect due to mod limitations and limitations and problems with too many posters who come here. We live on Earth. Decisions will never be completely perfect, I'm afraid. You don't seem to understand how hard it is to deal with a forum, with all due respect, and we have to work hard at our jobs. We take our jobs seriously.
If you don't like the policy, blame a certain breed of EFL instructor.
As far as the question about asking about mosques, churches, synagogues, Hindu temples, I don't think moderators personally have a problem with it, but the answer at this moment is make an internet search on google for that information.
A better strategy would work if you had an endless supply of moderators who would have nothing better to do than to deal with constant fights related to religion. Or, you would need a lot fewer problematic instructors and more people who can restrain themselves and show more respect to their fellow human beings and teachers. We don't want to be constantly in the middle of such fights. We have better things to do. You don't know what you're asking and what mods have to see and deal with. I get the point. The answer is no.
Enough said on that. It's easy to say what mods should do. What about your fellow teachers should ideally do and how they should behave?
We will lock this now, and later add a comment to what CJ asked. Just google for churches, mosques, synagogues etc....We may pull such threads, especially if someone starts discussing religion in the thread. It's not perfect. Blame some of the posters (minority) who teach EFL over here, not us.
Most people can understand the situation very well in terms of why such a policy exists. It's not because moderators simply want it that way. And the OP purposely misread my comments when I clearly said some, certain Liberals are not respecting those who are not like 'em. He's been dealt with by other mods, and he assumed it was all about me, so he was takin' his anger out on me.
Just follow the TOS, mate. |
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