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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
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 Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:23 am Post subject: Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents |
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These kids share an advantage that adoptive kids have over biological offspring: they know they were wanted!
Why Gay Parents May Be the Best Parents
By Stephanie Pappas | LiveScience.com
... in some ways, gay parents may bring talents to the table that straight parents don't.
Gay parents "tend to be more motivated, more committed than heterosexual parents on average, because they chose to be parents," said Abbie Goldberg, a psychologist at Clark University in Massachusetts who researches gay and lesbian parenting. Gays and lesbians rarely become parents by accident, compared with an almost 50 percent accidental pregnancy rate among heterosexuals, Goldberg said. "That translates to greater commitment on average and more involvement."
And while research indicates that kids of gay parents show few differences in achievement, mental health, social functioning and other measures, these kids may have the advantage of open-mindedness, tolerance and role models for equitable relationships, according to some research. Not only that, but gays and lesbians are likely to provide homes for difficult-to-place children in the foster system, studies show... |
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stilicho25
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| The no difference in actual achievement pretty much squashes that, doesn't it? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Not to mention that the author is the chairwoman for a gay-rights advocacy group.
Of course her findings are going to be nothing but positive. |
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duke of new york
Joined: 23 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Not to mention that the author is the chairwoman for a gay-rights advocacy group.
Of course her findings are going to be nothing but positive. |
Thank you for demonstrating the concept of "ad hominem" for the rest of the forum. Of course, we know that just because the author has an opinion about the matter doesn't make her claims incorrect.
The thing I have never understood about not letting gay couples adopt: it's not like there is a choice between the kid being raised by a gay couple or a straight couple. No one is taking away the kids from straight parents. They're orphans. For most of them it's either gay parents or foster care/orphanage/living on the street. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| Not all children of gay parents are adopted. Just throwing that out there. |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Not all children of gay parents are adopted. |
While the previous poster may have suggested that, it did not say that in my OP. Nevertheless, they are adopted by at least one parent but what I think yuou were trying to refer to was that they are often the biological offspring of one partner. In a sense they are a simultaneous blend of biological and adoptive children. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| duke of new york wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Not to mention that the author is the chairwoman for a gay-rights advocacy group.
Of course her findings are going to be nothing but positive. |
Thank you for demonstrating the concept of "ad hominem" for the rest of the forum. Of course, we know that just because the author has an opinion about the matter doesn't make her claims incorrect.
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Actually I demonstrated the concept of "bias" for the rest of the forum. It seems it is only you who thinks that pointing out bias equates to an ad hominem.
Someone who has a vested interest in an issue and then writes an article/paper in support of said issue...well such an article should be looked at more carefully then if written by someone with no bias.
This is elementary logic. |
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duke of new york
Joined: 23 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| duke of new york wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Not to mention that the author is the chairwoman for a gay-rights advocacy group.
Of course her findings are going to be nothing but positive. |
Thank you for demonstrating the concept of "ad hominem" for the rest of the forum. Of course, we know that just because the author has an opinion about the matter doesn't make her claims incorrect.
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Actually I demonstrated the concept of "bias" for the rest of the forum. It seems it is only you who thinks that pointing out bias equates to an ad hominem.
Someone who has a vested interest in an issue and then writes an article/paper in support of said issue...well such an article should be looked at more carefully then if written by someone with no bias.
This is elementary logic. |
You said "Of course her findings are going to be nothing but positive," implying that her bias makes her results invalid. This is the definition of a circumstantial ad hominem attack, a recognized logical fallacy. If you just pointed out that she has a bias and that should be considered, it would be fine, but it doesn't automatically make her wrong. Plenty of researchers have had opinions related to their work, it doesn't mean it is impossible for them to conduct a valid study.
Who are you talking about anyway, the author of the article or someone who did one of the studies? Because the writer is just reporting on research done by other, academic sources. |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Ineverlie&I'malwaysri wrote: |
| NYC_Gal 2.0 wrote: |
| Not all children of gay parents are adopted. |
While the previous poster may have suggested that, it did not say that in my OP. Nevertheless, they are adopted by at least one parent but what I think yuou were trying to refer to was that they are often the biological offspring of one partner. In a sense they are a simultaneous blend of biological and adoptive children. |
Caspar, I wasn't directing that towards you. In many places, the second parent isn't married to the first (due to several possible reasons, be they financial or legal,) so the child isn't exactly adopted either.
Either way, I happen to think that being the child of a gay parent or gay parents does at least often help (if not ensure) that the child is way more open minded and tolerant. This is not a fact, but it's my personal opinion, mind you. |
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Squire
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| A kid being adopted by gay parents is almost guaranteed to be bullied. That doesn't strike me as the best possible home a child can be provided with. I wouldn't want to be the one handing over a child to that |
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duke of new york
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| A kid being adopted by gay parents is almost guaranteed to be bullied. That doesn't strike me as the best possible home a child can be provided with. I wouldn't want to be the one handing over a child to that |
Again, I will point out that we are talking about orphans with no other place to go. Many gay couples adopt from overseas. Do you think a kid is better off in a Vietnamese orphanage with no family and no hope for the future than being bullied for having homosexual parents? Even a kid in foster care in the US, who may be well taken care of, will have to deal with having few or no friends and a feeling of loneliness that we cannot possibly understand.
Also, to illustrate that I think this is just a weak argument, at times in history, if a black couple adopted a white child, that child would probably have been bullied for having black parents. There are places kid would still be seriously bullied over issues of race. Would that justify not letting black couples adopt white children? |
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Squire
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| duke of new york wrote: |
| Squire wrote: |
| A kid being adopted by gay parents is almost guaranteed to be bullied. That doesn't strike me as the best possible home a child can be provided with. I wouldn't want to be the one handing over a child to that |
Again, I will point out that we are talking about orphans with no other place to go. Many gay couples adopt from overseas. Do you think a kid is better off in a Vietnamese orphanage with no family and no hope for the future than being bullied for having homosexual parents? Even a kid in foster care in the US, who may be well taken care of, will have to deal with having few or no friends and a feeling of loneliness that we cannot possibly understand.
Also, to illustrate that I think this is just a weak argument, at times in history, if a black couple adopted a white child, that child would probably have been bullied for having black parents. There are places kid would still be seriously bullied over issues of race. Would that justify not letting black couples adopt white children? |
I can understand that if the kid has nowhere to go, but I think gay adopters should have their sexuality held against them in cases where there are a choice of families willing to adopt.
In the case of a kid in an orphanage in Vietnam, yea you're probably right. If there are no alternatives then a gay family in the US is probably preferable
To your last point- yes, that would be justification for a white kid not being handed over to black parents. The kid's wellbeing is paramount, and if you are going to guarantee them an even tougher upbringing then that should be taken into account when deciding where to place the child.
^ Of course, that's when we are talking about 1970s America (or 19th century Britain  ). In these times I shouldn't imagine having black adoptive parents will make it tougher for the kid growing up |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:08 am Post subject: |
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Why must the title steer towards homosexuality? Why not simply focus on adoption..if that really is the key here.
Otherwise, I'm smelling an agenda. |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:33 am Post subject: |
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^ I highly doubt the article's author is on Dave's to answer, nor would she likely stoop to answering a question with a blatantly obvious answer, i.e. why an article about research on homosexual parents would "steer towards homosexuality" (whatever that means).  |
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ajuma
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:56 am Post subject: |
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I have about 20 different responses that I could give for these posts, but I'll keep it to one.
If straight parents are so wonderful, why are there so many gay children? |
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