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littlelisa
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 Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:45 am Post subject: Fliers in North Korea criticizing Kim Jeong Eun |
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Has anyone seen this article yet?
http://news.donga.com/Politics/New/3/00/20120120/43472729/1
It's all in Korean, but I have tried to make a translation... excuse the poor quality of my translation; my Korean isn't that great.
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북한 함경북도 청진시에서 김정은 노동당 군사위원회 부위원장을 비난하는 전단(삐라)이 무더기로 발견된 것으로 알려졌다.
North Korea, HamKyeongBuk province, Chongjin city: The Labour Party's Armed Services Committee's chariman has reported that criticizing leaflets were found in a pile.
대북 인권단체인 피랍탈북인권연대의 도희윤 대표는 20일 동아일보와의 통화에서 �18일 새벽 청진의 김책제철소 입구와 시내 몇 곳에서 삐라가 수천 장 발견됐다고 내부 소식통이 전해왔다�며 ��김정은 타도� �김정은 체제로는 북한의 미래가 없다� 등 김정은을 직접 공격하는 내용이 담겨 있다�고 말했다. 김책제철소에는 약 4만 명이 근무하는 것으로 알려졌다.
North Korea human rights organization representative, DoHeeYoon, in solidarity with the kidnapped North Korean defectors, in a telephone call with Dong-A Il Bo on the 20th said, "On the dawn of the 18th, at CheongJin's Kim Chaek iron foundry and several places downtown, pamphlets were discovered by the thousands" he said.
An insider source reports "overthrow Kim Jeong Eun", "Kim Jeong Eun has no place in the future of North Korea's regime" etc, content that consisted of personal attacks on Kim Jeong Eun, he said. He informed us that about 40,000 people work at the Kim Chaek iron foundry.
도 대표는 �북한 공안당국이 청진으로 이어지는 도로를 모두 봉쇄하고 범인 색출에 나섰다�며 �청진 일대는 북한 당국의 방해전파로 휴대전화도 연결되지 않고 있다�고 전했다. 이어 �내부 조직세력이 삐라를 살포한 것으로 보고 북한 당국이 경계심을 드러낸 것 같다�며 �삐라의 종이 질이 나쁜 것도 북한 내부의 소행일 가능성을 높여준다�고 설명했다.
As well, the representative stated "North Korean security authorities blocked all connecting roads to CheongJin in order to take action for the search."
"In the whole CheongJin area, the North Korean authorities used electronic jamming signals so that cellphones could not connect." he said. Subsequently, "The reports of the internal organized force's scattering of pamphlets seems to reveal the North Korean authorities' feelings of wariness" "The bad quality of the paper of the printed flyers raises the possibility of it being an inside affair (printed in North Korea)," he explained.
미국 자유아시아방송(RFA)도 이날 �함경북도의 소식통들도 청진에서 삐라 사태가 발생해 현재 초비상 상황이라고 알려왔다�고 보도했다. 청진은 전통적으로 반체제 성향이 강하고 나선시와 인접해 외국 정보가 비교적 많이 유입되는 지역이다. 청진에서는 2010년 이후 북한 체제를 비난하는 전단이 가끔 발견된 것으로 전해졌다.
American Free Asia broadcasts (RFA) also that day reported, "Hamgyeongbuk province's news sources also explained that the situation of the flyers in ChongJin's present occurance has been called an early emergency. CheongJin has traditionally had a strong antiestablishment inclination and has a comparitively high inflow of intelligence spiraling in from neighbouring countries. In CheongJin, since 2010 there have been pamphlets criticizing the North Korean regime that have sometimes been discovered to have been circulated.
한편 북한의 선전용 웹사이트 �우리민족끼리�는 20일 �김일성군사종합대학 시절의 10대에 군사원로도 무색하게 하는 영장의 자질을 완비하신 김정은 동지는 인공지구위성(장거리로켓) 발사와 핵실험 등 작전을 진두지휘했다�고 밝혔다. 이 사이트는 김정은이 핵실험을 지휘한 시점은 언급하지 않았다. 북한은 2006년 10월과 2009년 5월 핵실험을 했다. 이에 앞서 북한은 김정은이 2009년 4월 장거리로켓 발사를 관제지휘소에서 참관했다고 소개한 바 있다.
Meanwhile, North Korea's promotional website, "Among Our People" on the 20th disclosed "In the days of King Il-Sung Military University, as a teenager, Comrade Kim Jeong Eun, who outshined even military veterans completely with the talent of a lord, spearheaded the artificial earth satellite (long range rocket) including the launch and nuclear testing operations." This site made no mention the time of Kim Jeong Eun's command of nuclear testing. North Korea carried out nuclear testing in October 2006 and May 2009. Previously, North Korea once introduced Kim Jeong Eun in April 2009 as having witnessed the launching of long range rockets at the control command post. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Hope they publish Ki Jong Nam's new book in English.
"My father Kim Jong-Il and Me" (published this month).
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The Floating World
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| Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
Hope they publish Ki Jong Nam's new book in English.
"My father Kim Jong-Il and Me" (published this month).
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My hakwan owner thinks collapse is likely too. At least I hope that's what he meant when he recently asked me if I'd like to go teach in North Korea...!
(Seriously he does think collapse will happen.) |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
Hope they publish Ki Jong Nam's new book in English.
"My father Kim Jong-Il and Me" (published this month).
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Yes, I'd read it too. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| On a side note, when and if the collapse happens and if its a Germany-esque re-union (peaceful), then there may be a huge need for english teachers (in addition to a vast array of other things) in the north. |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| ...then there may be a huge need for english teachers (in addition to a vast array of other things) in the north. |
Possibly. I sometimes wonder if some people are interested in English because they fear reunification.
Remember, East Germans were relatively well educated and informed of the world. Their economy wasn't in complete shambles, either...and the road following German reunification was a bumpy one.
Korean reunification will be extremely costly. Throw in the social problems that are sure to follow, and it will be very tempting for some to leave the peninsula. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| More likely than reunification is that the Chinese will play a much greater part in running the country. China would never stand for a united Korea with a U.S military presence. Expect gradual introduction of Chinese troops into North Korea along with lots of technical experts. But this could turn into a normalized relationship with the rest of the world and English teachers would be needed. But reunification , no because Japan , China, Russia and the U.S. do not want it. But a good poosibility of better conditions for North Korean citizens. |
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12ax7
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| More likely than reunification is that the Chinese will play a much greater part in running the country. China would never stand for a united Korea with a U.S military presence. |
We're not in the 1950's anymore. Beijing is about a 1000km from Seoul. That's, what, 15 minutes on a fighter jet?
No, stability on the Korean peninsula is more important to China than division. If reunification restores stability in the even of a North Korea collapse, China won't prevent it.
Heck, if you believe documents which were recently released on Wikileaks, the Chinese government believes that North Korea will eventually collapse and that both Koreas will become reunited. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| 12ax7 wrote: |
Heck, if you believe documents which were recently released on Wikileaks, the Chinese government believes that North Korea will eventually collapse and that both Koreas will become reunited. |
Its surprising but true that China has no colonial aspirations to Korea. they just aren't interested. If they were they would've taken the peninsula a long time ago.
I had this conversation with my former Chinese g/f once. "Nobody wants Korea" she reassured me. |
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The Floating World
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:11 am Post subject: |
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true, but why don't they want Korea?
Well not entirely true, the Mongols and Japanese both wanted it pretty badly once... |
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rollo
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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Korea was a tribute state of China's for hundreds of years. China has intervened when outside powers threatened to seize Korea many times the latest in the 1950s. What the Chinese most want is stability and strategic balance to prevent conflict in the region.
The air and naval bases of north Korea would be used by China in the case of a war in the region. So in effect they are Chinese bases. Now if you have air and naval bases in Korea you control the sea lanes along the Eastern coast of China You are minutes away by jet from Tokyo, Vladivostok and you can prevent any invasion of japan. So both the U.S and China have strategic bases to keep a lid on the region. If China controlled the whole country this would be intolerable to Japan. As Korea is the launching pad for invasion. Russia, Japan and China have fought on and off for centuries for control in the area. The current division as sad as it is for the Korean people is probably the way it will remain for some time. The P.L.A. and some government agencies in China have printed maps showing Korea as part of China. Kim Jung Un and his uncle will remain in power as long as they have Chinese support. I think the system in North Korea is crashing right now but that does not mean re-unification it means a new system. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| true, but why don't they want Korea? |
72 million people that don't want to be Chinese. Independence issues from the get-go. China has known this for the last 1500 years, otherwise Korea would have been a Chinese province a long long time ago. As long as Korea isn't hostile to Chinese interests, China will let Koreans be Korean. Kind of like how the US views Canada. |
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rollo
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah Jvalmer that is about right. As long as Korea knows it's place it can be somewhat independent. It also serves as a buffer from invasion by Japan. The way the transition of power was so filled with uncertainy , the economic problems and now the spreading of the fliers points to a very unstable situation up North. I dont think re-unification is likely but I do think a peace treaty might be signed and barriers against travel and trade dropped. Probably as good as it will get. I think this scenario is likely. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| On a side note, when and if the collapse happens and if its a Germany-esque re-union (peaceful), then there may be a huge need for english teachers (in addition to a vast array of other things) in the north. |
That will take a long time if ever
Most people will be interested in improving their standard of living (meaning more basic needs). That alone would sop up any extra currency.
If reunification ever happened we'd be even more of a luxury than we are now. Certainly not a "need" and probably not for a long time. |
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