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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: Are You Leaving a Public School? |
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Are they replacing you?
I'm curious about what is going on with the government teaching jobs - SMOE, EPIK, GEPIK.
I'm leaving a SMOE elementary school job. I asked if they were going to get a replacement, and they didn't know. This being Korea, who knows, they might not find out normally until a week before classes start. So I don't know if my question means much - but I'm still curious.
My school has known since the start of the school year I was only going to be here 1 year.
I talked to me CT about the current climate, and she mentioned the key factor I've mentioned online that doesn't get noted much in these ESL forums --- that the current president is the force that pushed hard for an ESL teacher in every school. It was his well-promoted big idea when he first got into office 5 years ago.
Now, he will be leaving and perhaps an opposition member will win the election and reverse the policy. An opposition member did take over as head of SMOE.
Time will tell... |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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I worked for a GEPIK school until last July 2011 (in the middle of the hiring freeze). They were looking to replace me but couldn't find anyone they liked. Then on the day I left the country, they lost their funding and couldn't replace me. My co-teachers just taught without a NET.
But my school did hire a Chinese teacher to teach Chinese. Not sure where that funding came from...much less, the funding to build a new English Town.
Now one of my co-teachers tells me that the school will get a new NET. But it may be through alternative funding (city hall, etc.)...if it's even true.
Anyway, long answer short...yes, maybe. But it will have taken about seven months. And I'm not sure it's the norm for GEPIK in current times. |
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english puppet
Joined: 04 Nov 2011
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Are You Leaving a Public School? |
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iggyb wrote: |
Are they replacing you?
I'm curious about what is going on with the government teaching jobs - SMOE, EPIK, GEPIK.
I'm leaving a SMOE elementary school job. I asked if they were going to get a replacement, and they didn't know. This being Korea, who knows, they might not find out normally until a week before classes start. So I don't know if my question means much - but I'm still curious.
My school has known since the start of the school year I was only going to be here 1 year.
I talked to me CT about the current climate, and she mentioned the key factor I've mentioned online that doesn't get noted much in these ESL forums --- that the current president is the force that pushed hard for an ESL teacher in every school. It was his well-promoted big idea when he first got into office 5 years ago.
Now, he will be leaving and perhaps an opposition member will win the election and reverse the policy. An opposition member did take over as head of SMOE.
Time will tell... |
I've heard more than one long timer in Korea describing what's going on as something of a "backlash". People post on the now usual variety of issues - slowing economy, inefficiency of the English programs, drunk and irresponsible foreigners, drunk and irresponsible K co-teachers etc.. The list is pretty routine.
Although it's certainly been brought up as well it seems like there's a pretty negative air in the mix from the system about foreign teachers.
It's the hardest change to describe and it's not quantifiable but it's a distinct change from what I saw a year and a half ago even and it's mentioned by a number of other NET's.
Whether the current politics of SK gave voice to underlying frustration or animosity or created it to justify a political change is pretty open to interpretation. Despite the image of SK as a economic "miracle" etc. there have been a number of problems for the economy - higher unemployment, inflation, rising household debt and a somewhat sluggish housing market. |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just curious to see if people are getting replaced or not - also non-renewals with no replacement...
....because Feb-March is a big changeover period as schools start a new school year.
We've heard a lot in the press and rumor mill for the past year and more. Now, we have an opportunity to see how things are really shaking out.
So who is leaving and not having their position filled? Who is? Who isn't getting renewed and the position not being filled? |
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byrddogs

Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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That stuff (NETs being phased out) was in the rumor mill going back two years. It sounds like it is coming to fruition. It's most likely a good thing considering the hiring practices (ie...hiring anyone) for positions. In all honesty, not many of us that taught ps made a difference given that we rarely saw the students. Good luck though, Korea with all of the K English teachers that are supposed to conduct classes in English, yet don't. |
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jurassic82
Joined: 21 Jun 2006 Location: Somewhere!!!!
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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I am not sure what will happen in the next year but when my head teacher was giving me the paper work to sign for another year she was telling me how about how half the elementary schools in our district that had foreign teachers would not be replacing or renewing them in the next school year. I am not sure if that is across the board all district in SMOE but it does give a sign that foreign teachers are slowly being phased out. Maybe things will change and those schools will find money in their budget to replace them in the future. I'm not sure.
I do think it is problematic when they start saying that foreign teachers are a waste of money. I think NET are very useful and beneficial in the classroom if both the NET and Korean English know how to work together properlly to gain the most out of what each has to offer. Unfortunatley this is often not the case as neither have had any experience or training on how to co teach. |
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Squire

Joined: 26 Sep 2010 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:19 am Post subject: |
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I'm not being renewed at my school (no NET next year), but despite being told I'll most likely be moved to another school in my district they haven't told me what's going on yet. I'm at home now and due to go back to Korea on Friday but my coteacher has ignored two emails from me asking what the situation is. It's infuriating. I'm very worried I'll get back in a few days to find out there is no job for me and I'll well and truly be up nob creek without a paddle. I wonder if it'll be possible for me to change to a public school in a different area or maybe a hagwon without having to go through the visa application again  |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:34 am Post subject: |
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The fact that educators in Korea are largely liberal and the president who pushed TEE and a FT in every school is one part of the attitude toward FTs in the schools.
As someone else partially noted above, if the Korean teachers would teach in English 90%, we wouldn't be necessary much. But they don't. |
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Squire

Joined: 26 Sep 2010 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:57 am Post subject: |
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iggyb wrote: |
The fact that educators in Korea are largely liberal and the president who pushed TEE and a FT in every school is one part of the attitude toward FTs in the schools.
As someone else partially noted above, if the Korean teachers would teach in English 90%, we wouldn't be necessary much. But they don't. |
It's baffling to me that they don't teach in English. A couple of weeks effort and the kids will become accustomed to it. There is really no excuse for an English teacher not being able to communicate simple classroom expressions in English. I know my co-teacher hates the idea, but the fact is none of the kids will be able to pick up on any mistakes she makes. I've told her that. If after working with NETs for 2 years she doesn't have the confidence to speak in English in front of the elementary school students then perhaps she shouldn't be an English teacher. I didn't say that to her.
I expect when she's on her own in a few weeks she'll be more than capable of teaching in English if she puts the effort in. I'm not sure that's going to happen though
On the other hand I think my middle school co-teacher last year (we never actually taught together) would struggle to teach in English. He's a really nice guy but has a very low conversation level. The brighter kids at that school really need a confident English speaker and I feel they've been hung out to dry. It would be nice if they could get someone in from the city once a week but it's just too far away |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:56 am Post subject: |
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If they'd teach in English, they'd see their communication ability increase rapidly as they unlock and rewire all that English they'd packed into their brain for a long time. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010 Location: Victoria, Canada.
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:08 am Post subject: |
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If they'd teach in English their students would know they don't know English. |
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I-am-me

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Hermit Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:13 am Post subject: |
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I am here until April. Havent heard if they will renew me for a third year yet. |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Below the age of 35, there are plenty of Korean teachers who have the knowledge locked up in their head. They would be amazed at how quickly they'd become conversational if they'd teach in English.
After 1 year, the average Korean teacher would be doing fine for beginning and intermediate levels.
They just did not learn in a proper manner and the compound the problem by not teaching in one. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Two reasons, the next election is likely to see a left leaning president and just to oppose LMB will do the opposite. And it was pretty unwise to try to get an FT in every single school. The more realistic answer is maybe 3 in every district. One for elementary, middle and high schools at wisely selected schools. Or make them go to 2 or 3 schools in the district during the week. |
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ThingsComeAround

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Squire wrote: |
iggyb wrote: |
The fact that educators in Korea are largely liberal and the president who pushed TEE and a FT in every school is one part of the attitude toward FTs in the schools.
As someone else partially noted above, if the Korean teachers would teach in English 90%, we wouldn't be necessary much. But they don't. |
It's baffling to me that they don't teach in English. A couple of weeks effort and the kids will become accustomed to it. There is really no excuse for an English teacher not being able to communicate simple classroom expressions in English. I know my co-teacher hates the idea, but the fact is none of the kids will be able to pick up on any mistakes she makes. I've told her that. If after working with NETs for 2 years she doesn't have the confidence to speak in English in front of the elementary school students then perhaps she shouldn't be an English teacher. I didn't say that to her.
I expect when she's on her own in a few weeks she'll be more than capable of teaching in English if she puts the effort in. I'm not sure that's going to happen though
On the other hand I think my middle school co-teacher last year (we never actually taught together) would struggle to teach in English. He's a really nice guy but has a very low conversation level. The brighter kids at that school really need a confident English speaker and I feel they've been hung out to dry. It would be nice if they could get someone in from the city once a week but it's just too far away |
I bolded that part because I'm going through a similar situation as you.
First year was exhausting. Weak speaker, she wanted what other Korean teachers leeched off their NETs and complained to me because I didn't know what she was talking about. Second year was my best. Two capable English speakers. Now I work with one teacher who is afraid to do anything alone and another who couldn't care less if the kids hear a CD played 4 or 12 times. If my experience is indicative of how all GEPIK is run, things wont get better, im afraid  |
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