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breninmass



Joined: 28 Jan 2012
Location: United States

PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:30 am    Post subject: Some newbie questions Reply with quote

I'm still pretty early in my research, but the following looks pretty attractive to me:

1) Working at a Hogwan
2) Living in a medium-sized city (like Busan or Gwangju)
3) Teaching adults (though this pretty much means working a split shift no matter what, correct?)

I'd appreciate any input on what I should consider about these decisions; what questions should I ask myself about them?

Also, I have a question: how long should i expect the application process to take (from the start of the job-search to the first day of work)? I'm planning on applying to a graduate program starting Fall 2013, so it would be best if I can move to Korea sometime in mid to late summer of this year. I need to know when to get the ball rolling!

I appreciate your help!
--brenden
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1) Working at a Hogwan


You haven't given any reasons to work at a hagwon as opposed to a public school or college/university.

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2) Living in a medium-sized city (like Busan or Gwangju)


Seoul and Busan are the main "big" cities. Gwangju, if being considered, should be compared with other cites like Daegu, Daejeon, Incheon, and surrounding cities in Gyeonggido like Suwon, Ilsan, and Uijeongbu.

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3) Teaching adults (though this pretty much means working a split shift no matter what, correct?)


I have my doubts about any position teaching adults only. It's hard to keep adults throughout the year. Instead, I look for positions which are a mix. In this case, it could be a split shift schedule or simply 2 blocks/shifts during the day.

Instead of trying to match a "formula" position, you should see what recruiters offer and then decide.
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breninmass



Joined: 28 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much for the reply!

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You haven't given any reasons to work at a hagwon as opposed to a public school or college/university.


There are two reasons. First, I don't have a lot of teaching experience in front of large groups, so I feel it would be better for me to start by teaching a small class. Second, I hear it pays more than working at a public school, and one of my main motivations for working in Korea is to save money.

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Seoul and Busan are the main "big" cities. Gwangju, if being considered, should be compared with other cites like Daegu, Daejeon, Incheon, and surrounding cities in Gyeonggido like Suwon, Ilsan, and Uijeongbu.


Well-noted. Maybe a surrounding city would be a good match for me, for easy access to a major city for day trips.

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I have my doubts about any position teaching adults only. It's hard to keep adults throughout the year. Instead, I look for positions which are a mix. In this case, it could be a split shift schedule or simply 2 blocks/shifts during the day.

Instead of trying to match a "formula" position, you should see what recruiters offer and then decide.


These two considerations will be important in the application process I'm sure, since becoming too attached to my ideal position might limit my possibilities.

Anyone have an estimated length of the application process?
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zoeksk



Joined: 21 Jan 2012

PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on when you apply for what, if you have apply for the CRC check only when you have started being interviewed then its gonna take longer. I have sent off for that over a week ago and then I applied to recruiters as its the longest part of the process as far as I can tell.

Next step is to have your documents notarized and then apostilled (hint go to a solicitor and not a notary as they charge considerably less)

Finally sign the contract with a school of your choice. If you are dedicated and on top of the process I don't see why it should take more than a month, however you could obviously make it take longer or even gather all the documents and then apply for jobs that doesn't start for a while if you wanted to start at a specific time or wanted to wait for a particular age to teach or a location to be in.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Some newbie questions Reply with quote

breninmass wrote:
I'm still pretty early in my research, but the following looks pretty attractive to me:

1) Working at a Hogwan
2) Living in a medium-sized city (like Busan or Gwangju)
3) Teaching adults (though this pretty much means working a split shift no matter what, correct?)

I'd appreciate any input on what I should consider about these decisions; what questions should I ask myself about them?

Also, I have a question: how long should i expect the application process to take (from the start of the job-search to the first day of work)? I'm planning on applying to a graduate program starting Fall 2013, so it would be best if I can move to Korea sometime in mid to late summer of this year. I need to know when to get the ball rolling!

I appreciate your help!
--brenden


IF you have your documents in hand then start applying any time now.
Finding a job can take as little as a week and as long as 3 months.

AFTER you find a school the process takes from 12-21 days.

If you do NOT have your documents in hand you are at the fine edge of NOT making it for this summer. It can take MONTHS to get an FBI check and get an appostille on it and NOTHING can happen until you have an appostilled FBI check and an appostilled, certified true copy of your degree in your hot little hands.

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Luciddreamer



Joined: 31 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]and one of my main motivations for working in Korea is to save money.[quote]

Working at a hagwon will not necessarily help you earn [/i]a lot more money as opposed to working at a public school, especially if this is your first year teaching EFL in Korea - maybe 100,000 - 200/000 extra a month.

In my opinion, it's more important how you save the money you earn than how much money you make.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you Brendan? If you are pretty young and your primary reason of coming here is to save money, I would choose the job that gives you comfortable working conditions/hours and work a few a years.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In my opinion, it's more important how you save the money you earn than how much money you make.



What do you mean 'how you save the money you earn'? Do you mean, how you invest it or do you mean how much money you save?
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MetaFitX



Joined: 23 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Some newbie questions Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
If you do NOT have your documents in hand you are at the fine edge of NOT making it for this summer. It can take MONTHS to get an FBI check and get an appostille on it and NOTHING can happen until you have an appostilled FBI check and an appostilled, certified true copy of your degree in your hot little hands.


There is no reason that it should take that long. It took me 7 weeks to get my FBI background check back in my hands (received by the FBI in late November, I got it back middle of January) and another week to get it notarized and apostilled (I used an expediting service).

The other two people that I know that just got their FBI background check done got theirs back in around 8 weeks.

As far as the OP, I would really recommend you get on top of getting your documents in order.
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Luciddreamer



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
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In my opinion, it's more important how you save the money you earn than how much money you make.



What do you mean 'how you save the money you earn'? Do you mean, how you invest it or do you mean how much money you save?


A little bit of both - but, if it's your first time teaching abroad then I meant "how much money you save."

As a foreign English teacher living and working in Korea, your job covers a big chunk of your living expense and all you really need to worry about are your electricity/water/gas bills, cell phone bill, and food.

Once you save some money, then I suppose you could invest in some stocks/bonds with the money you saved up - it's all a matter of personal choice.
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breninmass



Joined: 28 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just out of curiosity, how old are you Brendan? If you are pretty young and your primary reason of coming here is to save money, I would choose the job that gives you comfortable working conditions/hours and work a few a years.


I appreciate this advice. I'm 24, and will be graduating with an MA in English and Women's and Gender studies this Spring. I'm planning on applying to PhD programs, but before I do I need to take a break, and ideally do something in that time that is financially smart. Since I've always wanted to live abroad, I figured this gap year or two would be a good opportunity to accomplish these goals (saving money, taking a break from academia, living abroad).

Now that I've laid my situation bare, I guess it's a good time to ask: do my reasons seem like good ones? I've done a lot of thinking and research, but input from people who have heard many stories from teachers -- and have stories of their own -- would be very valuable to me.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good for starting ahead of time on the research. Lurke and read some more threads here. Go back a while. Also check out searcheslcafe.com when searching. The search here is a little buggy.

First not all cities are created equal. Comparing Gwangju versus Busan is like comparing Chicago versus Boise. Careful of places that say in such and such city. A city of 300,000 in Korea would be like a small town in the US.

I think for many teaching adults would the a high demand. Getting adults is difficult. Company and University are the plum jobs to many. If you want adult and go the hagwon route it will be difficult. Some people can do it but many can not. Look at some previous threads to get the idea of how it works.

My advice is since your a newbie. Go with afternoon schools hagwons - your students will be Elementary/Middle school. Unless you can handle kindy/young children avoid Kindergarten schools. They will also be split shift too. Just not as crumby as adult split.

Try for the public school but it is getting a little bit harder to land. Plus public schools take good timing.

Until you have your paperwork done, things will be slow and you will get little response.

As to the saving money it is really on how you handle money. If you want to eat nicely and go out often, you will take home more. You have to find a balance. You can live nicely here but it may take some sacrifice and common sense. Do you really want that trip to Thailand or can you live with out the big TV.

Use the search and try some words like budget, adult hagwon, saving money. Some good threads and advice out there.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zoeksk wrote:
Next step is to have your documents notarized and then apostilled (hint go to a solicitor and not a notary as they charge considerably less)


If he's in Mass, as his name suggests, he can go to a bank and get his docs notarized for free.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Some newbie questions Reply with quote

MetaFitX wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
If you do NOT have your documents in hand you are at the fine edge of NOT making it for this summer. It can take MONTHS to get an FBI check and get an appostille on it and NOTHING can happen until you have an appostilled FBI check and an appostilled, certified true copy of your degree in your hot little hands.


There is no reason that it should take that long. It took me 7 weeks to get my FBI background check back in my hands (received by the FBI in late November, I got it back middle of January) and another week to get it notarized and apostilled (I used an expediting service).

The other two people that I know that just got their FBI background check done got theirs back in around 8 weeks.

As far as the OP, I would really recommend you get on top of getting your documents in order.


8 weeks sounds pretty close to 2 MONTHS. So it really did take MONTHS to get it (even when using an expediting service) and not just a quick 1-week thing like popping down to the local sheriff's office to get one.

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Luciddreamer



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the same boat in terms of wanting to take a break from academia. I also traveled to Korea right out of college and have been living and working here for a few years and am having the time of my life - I'm learning more about myself and my interests, what I don't like, etc.

No matter what your plans are for the future, traveling to teach here isn't going to hurt your long-term goals - you'll only have new experiences to gain, especially at 24.


breninmass wrote:
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Just out of curiosity, how old are you Brendan? If you are pretty young and your primary reason of coming here is to save money, I would choose the job that gives you comfortable working conditions/hours and work a few a years.


I appreciate this advice. I'm 24, and will be graduating with an MA in English and Women's and Gender studies this Spring. I'm planning on applying to PhD programs, but before I do I need to take a break, and ideally do something in that time that is financially smart. Since I've always wanted to live abroad, I figured this gap year or two would be a good opportunity to accomplish these goals (saving money, taking a break from academia, living abroad).

Now that I've laid my situation bare, I guess it's a good time to ask: do my reasons seem like good ones? I've done a lot of thinking and research, but input from people who have heard many stories from teachers -- and have stories of their own -- would be very valuable to me.
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jurassic82



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Some newbie questions Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
MetaFitX wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
If you do NOT have your documents in hand you are at the fine edge of NOT making it for this summer. It can take MONTHS to get an FBI check and get an appostille on it and NOTHING can happen until you have an appostilled FBI check and an appostilled, certified true copy of your degree in your hot little hands.


There is no reason that it should take that long. It took me 7 weeks to get my FBI background check back in my hands (received by the FBI in late November, I got it back middle of January) and another week to get it notarized and apostilled (I used an expediting service).

The other two people that I know that just got their FBI background check done got theirs back in around 8 weeks.

As far as the OP, I would really recommend you get on top of getting your documents in order.


8 weeks sounds pretty close to 2 MONTHS. So it really did take MONTHS to get it (even when using an expediting service) and not just a quick 1-week thing like popping down to the local sheriff's office to get one.

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Don't be so sensitive TTompatz. The point he is trying to make is that if the OP ordered his/her CBC now it would arrive by the end of March or early April. The fine edge of NOT making it for this summer? I don't think so. Dear OP, you should have no problem making here in Korea by May or June. Just make sure to get on top of your documents like was mentioned already and make sure that when you get your FBI check that you state you will get it apostilled. That way they can authenticate it which is needed in order to have it apostilled. Good luck!!! Very Happy
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