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teachyteachy
Joined: 10 Sep 2009
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 Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject: Gwangju You and I English School |
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Hi,
Has anyone heard of the You and I English School? We've been offered an interview but the only information I can find on them on the internet is the advert we responded to from Jason Fowler and a previous advert from a Jason Kelly?!
Any info would be great. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I never worked there, but I knew someone who did. From what I gather, she had a fairly positive experience there. Also, it is worth mentioning that it is owned by a Canadian, Jason Fowler and his Korean wife. |
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midnightdrive
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:58 am Post subject: Be careful |
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| First it's Jason Fowler, then it's Jason Kelly. Something shady is going on. I corresponded with this guy briefly and he sent me a contract that had so many labor violations in it that I lost count. He'll try to get you to think that it's a good job because the place is Western managed but it appears that his Korean wife is the one wearing the pants. Or, that he's learned to do things the Korean way because he figured out that exploiting his own kind is very profitable. He has 9 schools now! You know he's not hurting for money. |
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Steve Schertzer
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Location: Pusan
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Be careful |
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| midnightdrive wrote: |
| First it's Jason Fowler, then it's Jason Kelly. Something shady is going on. I corresponded with this guy briefly and he sent me a contract that had so many labor violations in it that I lost count. He'll try to get you to think that it's a good job because the place is Western managed but it appears that his Korean wife is the one wearing the pants. Or, that he's learned to do things the Korean way because he figured out that exploiting his own kind is very profitable. He has 9 schools now! You know he's not hurting for money. |
The Korean wife wears the pants because she has control of the money and the business. A foreigner, by law, can't own a business in Korea. It must be in her name, the Korean national. Fowler, like any other foreigner, is nothing but the ubiquitious white face at the front door so that all the parents can see what a great place it is. Western managed is just that--- pretending to be the caring white face at the front door. In my many years in this industry, it's the foreigners that you really have to look out for. They'll screw you more than any Korean. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Be careful |
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| midnightdrive wrote: |
| First it's Jason Fowler, then it's Jason Kelly. Something shady is going on. |
Why does this mean something shady is going on? Perhaps, more reasonable explanations of the discrepancy are that there was a miscommunication when one of the advertisements was made or perhaps one of these names is a middle name.
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| I corresponded with this guy briefly and he sent me a contract that had so many labor violations in it that I lost count. |
Why don't you list these labor violations instead of simply making a vague accusation?
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| He'll try to get you to think that it's a good job because the place is Western managed but it appears that his Korean wife is the one wearing the pants. |
So, you think he has no input with regards to his school? Yet from your own post, you say that you have corresponded with him as opposed to his wife. Clearly, he does have some sort of input with respect to who he hires. So, I do not see that there is any basis for your contention.
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| Or, that he's learned to do things the Korean way because he figured out that exploiting his own kind is very profitable. |
So, owning a business and paying Western employees a decent monthly salary equals exploitation? Certainly, it is true that hagwons are usually not the best place to work, but I do not buy into this idea that hagwons automatically equal exploitation of the Western English teacher. If you want to see real exploitation in Korea, then go to a factory and see how the 3D workers are treated.
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| He has 9 schools now! You know he's not hurting for money. |
Is there something wrong with being successful and making money? It seems to me, you are simply jealous. |
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midnightdrive
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:19 pm Post subject: . |
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I agree with you 100% Steve. Why is it that people who combine the worst of Korean culture with the worst of Western culture are the ones who profit the most here? You have to start thinking that this place is some kind of cesspool for bottom feeders. There's something particularly disturbing about this type of person, i.e., someone who is willing to sell his own kind down a $hyte creek. They deserve their own category of hatred and baseness.
It reminds me of what happened on Wall Street last year. You have to wonder how people got it in their heads that it's OK to do or say anything just to make money. In my view it's a cultural problem, a result of the conservative revolution that started in the 70s with Nixon and Ford and then picked up again with Reagan and the Bushes. There are plenty of people who believe in the free market like a religion and who actually believe that greed is good. And, no amount of economic collapse or reason is going to change people who are fundamentally selfish and irrational like that idiot who just posted who thinks it's cute to give himself a hybrid Korean/Western username. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: . |
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| And, no amount of economic collapse or reason is going to change people who are fundamentally selfish and irrational like that idiot who just posted who thinks it's cute to give himself a hybrid Korean/Western username. |
What is your criteria for determining that I am selfish? I fail to see how anything in my post would imply that.
I am challenging you to back up your assertions with objective reasoning based fully on facts as opposed to innuendo. Yet, you have decided to call me irrational. That is the height of irony. |
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midnightdrive
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: . |
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I am always skeptical and dismissive of people who are inclined to side with a hagwon over a teacher. Your type is twofold: 1) You are likely a recruiter, a Gyopo, or a hagwon owner who attacks anyone who mentions the word "labor". 2) You are more than happy to be a slave and to defend your corrupt master after you've taken your lashings.
Either way our natures are different and I'm not going to waste my time explaining the obvious to someone who lacks the will, the temperament, or the intelligence to recognize what is self-evident. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: Re: . |
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| midnightdrive wrote: |
I am always skeptical and dismissive of people who are inclined to side with a hagwon over a teacher. Your type is twofold: 1) You are likely a recruiter, a Gyopo, or a hagwon owner who attacks anyone who mentions the word "labor". 2) You are more than happy to be a slave and to defend your corrupt master after you've taken your lashings.
Either way our natures are different and I'm not going to waste my time explaining the obvious to someone who lacks the will, the temperament, or the intelligence to recognize what is self-evident. |
You are wrong on both accounts. Recruiter, gyopo, hagwon owner, and hagwon worker are not words that can be used to describe me.
As I mentioned before in my first post, I knew someone who worked there. What I did not mention until now, is that I have had drinks with my friend and one of her coworkers on more than a few occasions. I have been to a baseball game before with someone else who was working there. In fact, at that point, I was looking into helping an old roommate of mine get a job there until he had set his mind on getting a job in Seoul.
If there were some serious problems at that hagwon, it would surprise me very much as I thought I would have heard something about that through the various conversations I have had with some of the people that who have worked there. Now, I am not saying that I think that this is some sort of hagwon paradise. There are definitely other hagwon and public school jobs out there with either more salary or more vacation time. Nonetheless, it has been my overall impression that this hagwon has a very good work environment.
Now, you have never worked there and it would appear that you do not know anybody who has worked there. Yet, you have felt compelled to disparage the character of the owner whom you have never met in person. This speaks rather poorly of your own character. And in my opinion, that takes away from your credibility on this subject.
As it stands, the only thing, worth mentioning, that you have brought up is some unspecified labor violations in the contract. Everything else that you have said, is basically innuendo. Now, if you had simply stuck to only mentioning that one point, I would have been a little less skeptically inclined towards your post. So, once again, I ask you what these labor violations are. Remember that you and I are not the only ones reading this thread. If indeed, there are some labor violations, it would be useful for other people to know.
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pangaea
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:45 am Post subject: |
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I was "hired" by this school and had a bad experience. I don't trust the owner.
OP - I sent you a PM with details. |
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midnightdrive
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: Looks like you missed something in your edit |
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| I thought I would have heard something about that through the various conversations I have had with some of the people that who have worked there. |
�that who�? Nice English there.
I�m not going to waste my time reading over that dreadful contract again�I can�t say you or the hagwon owner are worth the unpaid time and effort to me--but from what I can remember off the top of my head the vacation time was a joke as it is with most hagwons. What�s worse is that they tried to tell you when you could take your vacation time which is illegal.
If you really want to know what it�s like, then you could always palm pangaea who has worked there. |
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midnightdrive
Joined: 14 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:32 am Post subject: . |
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| If there were some serious problems at that hagwon, it would surprise me very much as I thought I would have heard something about that through the various conversations I have had with some of the people that who have worked there. |
Hagwons prey on people who are either too inexperienced or naive to understand how badly they're getting screwed. Perhaps you're just hanging out with the wrong crowd. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:39 am Post subject: |
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You'd think a westerner would be able to write up a suitable contract.
It's normal for hagwons to schedule your vacation. I don't have a big problem with that. Seems kind of minor, really.
What were some of the other crappy stipulations? I'm curious.
Either way, if the pay is really low, just goes to show... |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Looks like you missed something in your edit |
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| midnightdrive wrote: |
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| I thought I would have heard something about that through the various conversations I have had with some of the people that who have worked there. |
�that who�? Nice English there. |
Yes, people make grammatical mistakes sometimes. It happens even to the best of us.
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| I�m not going to waste my time reading over that dreadful contract again�I can�t say you or the hagwon owner are worth the unpaid time and effort to me--but from what I can remember off the top of my head the vacation time was a joke as it is with most hagwons. What�s worse is that they tried to tell you when you could take your vacation time which is illegal. |
I have never heard of that being illegal. Like another poster pointed out, that is fairly standard at hagwons.
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| If you really want to know what it�s like, then you could always palm pangaea who has worked there. |
Or after I get back to Korea, I can ask my friend who previously worked there. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: Re: . |
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| midnightdrive wrote: |
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| If there were some serious problems at that hagwon, it would surprise me very much as I thought I would have heard something about that through the various conversations I have had with some of the people that who have worked there. |
Hagwons prey on people who are either too inexperienced or naive to understand how badly they're getting screwed. Perhaps you're just hanging out with the wrong crowd. |
To the best of my knowledge, those people went on to get jobs at either a university or an international school. At any rate, I will say no more on that particular matter. |
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