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proverbs
Joined: 28 Apr 2009
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 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:09 pm Post subject: Dojang -- Korean signature stamp |
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hello.
so, i was thinking of getting a Dojang -- the Korean signature stamp. i plan on being in Korea for awhile, so i think it would be something i should invest in.
i found a few places over the net where i can buy a customized dojang, however, i heard that you have to go to a specific place to make it 'official'. when it's official, you can use it for transferring land, contracts, etc.
can anyone shed some light on this topic? does anyone have a dojang that can share their experience? |
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Spongebob Squarepants
Joined: 19 Oct 2007
Location: You wanna see my caring face?, ROK
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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My wife got one made for me about 4 years ago as a birthday present. Go to any shop that has them in the display and they custom make them. Mine is made from whale bone (supposedly environmentally friendly).
Until you register it at your local Gu office, it's merely a novelty item. Go to the Gu office where you live, fill out the necessary form and it'll be registered for free.
Every time you need a form they'll print you one for 800 won.
Once it's registered you can use it as a substitute for your signature. Watch out, because anyone who is in physical possession of the dojang can use it, even in your absence. My wife could walk into a real estate agent with mine tomorrow and buy land in my name regardless of whether I know about it or not.
I only registered mine last year because I needed it to buy a car in my name. |
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proverbs
Joined: 28 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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spongebob, thank you for that info!! it was exactly what i was looking for.
i better not lose the thing, or i will be screwed 
and lol at the WHALE BONE being 'environmentally friendly'. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I just use a fingerprint. Don't have to worry about it getting stolen/lost. |
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Jake_Kim
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Your fingerprint, no matter how authentic it is, cannot create legally acceptable power of attorney under Korean law.
One's registered seal (a.k.a. ingam-dojang) does, hence the reason one should guard it with his life. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Jake_Kim wrote: |
Your fingerprint, no matter how authentic it is, cannot create legally acceptable power of attorney under Korean law.
One's registered seal (a.k.a. ingam-dojang) does, hence the reason one should guard it with his life. |
Yes it can. I used mine for documents for court a few years back. |
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Jake_Kim
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| nathanrutledge wrote: |
| Jake_Kim wrote: |
Your fingerprint, no matter how authentic it is, cannot create legally acceptable power of attorney under Korean law.
One's registered seal (a.k.a. ingam-dojang) does, hence the reason one should guard it with his life. |
Yes it can. I used mine for documents for court a few years back. |
You're missing the point. Your using your thumbprint on a document that binds none other than yourself has nothing to do with one of your agents creating a legal document that binds you in your absence and/or without your knowledge.
If you put down your thumbprint on a document and toss it to your agent for whatever action that follows, it already constitutes an approval by the principal, hence no different from signing it beforehand. With an ingam-dojang, a binding legal document can be created by anyone in possession of the seal since an apparent authority is assumed.
Naturally, there are a bunch of statutes regarding unauthorized use of one's seal in contract law, but that's another issue. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Jake, you're right - I misread what you wrote. Right, you cannot cut off your thumb and give it to someone to use. Well, you could...  |
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singerdude
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks guys for this thread. I never thought of getting a stamp. I just assumed it was for Koreans only. Very helpful information. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| Sold a car that was in my name recently. Don't recall it being needed a few years back when the title of the car was transferred to my name, but you definitely need it now. The registration of it at the gu office includes fingerprinting. Anytime cars or property are sold or bought, the ingam is needed. Make sure that the name on the stamp matches what's on your ARC. That is, if your ARC says Kim Ingam, make sure it's done that way(I know because I had to get mine redone because the gu office wouldn't accept initials)...at least that was the case of the office I dealt with in Busan. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| proverbs wrote: |
spongebob, thank you for that info!! it was exactly what i was looking for.
i better not lose the thing, or i will be screwed
and lol at the WHALE BONE being 'environmentally friendly'. |
Did I miss something? |
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r122925
Joined: 02 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Make sure that the name on the stamp matches what's on your ARC. That is, if your ARC says Kim Ingam, make sure it's done that way(I know because I had to get mine redone because the gu office wouldn't accept initials) |
I'm going to need to get one of these soon, and I'm a bit clueless on how this works for foreigners. The quoted part is especially troubling. I have a rather long name. And of course my ARC shows all of it, middle name included. (27 English letters, 12 syllables if Hangeul-ized). How do they usually write the stamps for foreigners anyway, in English or Hangeul? Could they really fit a name this long on a small stamp? If i walked into a random shop would the average employee know how to handle it?
thanks for any advice |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Jake_Kim wrote: |
One's registered seal (a.k.a. ingam-dojang) does, hence the reason one should guard it with his life. |
I've noticed that dojangs are now mostly made by computer. You just type in the name and the computer carves it out. How do they tell one Minsoo Kim dojang from another if they're using the same computer program/machine? |
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Jake_Kim
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| Jake_Kim wrote: |
One's registered seal (a.k.a. ingam-dojang) does, hence the reason one should guard it with his life. |
I've noticed that dojangs are now mostly made by computer. You just type in the name and the computer carves it out. How do they tell one Minsoo Kim dojang from another if they're using the same computer program/machine? |
That is indeed a valid point, and in fact, this centuries-old seal system has been established and maintained long before modern equipments could start duplicating seals with near-zero margin of error, unlike human hands. In the past, government employees or the court used magnifying glasses and transparent film, etc. to verify authenticity - you may as well recall how fingerprints used to be matched prior to computerization. It has become more difficult to detect if one forges a fake with malicious intent.
That's one of the reasons why Korean government is trying to phase out registered seal system since 2009. Nevertheless, all kinds of property-related registry and documentations in this country are tied to the individual seals even now, which makes the transition quite a bit complicated, if not doubtful. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| Make sure that the name on the stamp matches what's on your ARC. That is, if your ARC says Kim Ingam, make sure it's done that way(I know because I had to get mine redone because the gu office wouldn't accept initials) |
I'm going to need to get one of these soon, and I'm a bit clueless on how this works for foreigners. The quoted part is especially troubling. I have a rather long name. And of course my ARC shows all of it, middle name included. (27 English letters, 12 syllables if Hangeul-ized). How do they usually write the stamps for foreigners anyway, in English or Hangeul? Could they really fit a name this long on a small stamp? If i walked into a random shop would the average employee know how to handle it?
thanks for any advice |
As Madoka said, most is done on computers now. Therefore, lots of options for layout, font, and font size. If it's not done correctly the first time, just bring it back with specific instructions from the gu office and have the guy sand it down and do it again, right, for a small extra fee. Mine was done in English to match my ARC...probably better that way. It might b a bit of a squeeze, but I'm sure the shop's artist can get all 27 on the stamp...maybe ten in the middle and 17 around the outer circular edge, or sth similar?
p.s. just double-checked w/ wife. she said the office we went to insisted that the name on the stamp matches that on the ARC. Koreans can have either korean or hanja, but we can't now, apparently. english only. once it's accepted, changes aren't too easy either.
p.p.s. to madoka's question. there may b thousands of kim min-hees, but each has their own unique ID number, and their own fingerprint. that's why those things r also required at the registration step of the process. |
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