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What's appropriate vs. inappropriate during off-hours in PS?

 
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thebektionary



Joined: 11 May 2011

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: What's appropriate vs. inappropriate during off-hours in PS? Reply with quote

I worked at a hagwon in Guri where no one really gave two #$%# about what I did during my off-hours from teaching. Before that, I worked at another hagwon that was absolute hell where the boss scorned me if I did anything other than planning or cleaning the hagwon during my off-hours.

I want to have the best possible relationship with my new public school I'm starting at on March 1st so that means of course I won't be browsing the internet or going on Facebook... but after all my planning is done, do you guys think that studying Korean is an appropriate thing to do? I am doing it now with a lot of enthusiasm so off-hours at work would give me a lot of extra time to work on it. I want to be well-liked and respected by my co-workers so if doing anything that doesn't relate to work, even if it is studying their language, would impede on this, I wouldn't want to do it.

Opinions? If you can, please make lists of things that would be appropriate to do and inappropriate beyond common sense answers like "planning" for appropriate and "sleeping" or "going on facebook" for inappropriate. What about reading?
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plchron



Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

at a public school the whole thing about an '8 hour work day' revolves around you being on hand in case there is some sort of english speaking emergency. once you finish with your lesson planning and if you aren't teaching class then you are able to do whatever you want, kinda like your last hagwon.

I have seen many other korean teachers sleeping, exercising, playing screen golf, volleyball, etc. at public schools during working hours. As long as you are in the building don't worry about it. go on facebook, sleep off your hangover etc. These things they don't care about.

What they do care about is that you are prepared, that the staff and students like you, and that you embrace their group activities, and most importantly that you always talk about how good korea is.
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Malislamusrex



Joined: 01 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: What's appropriate vs. inappropriate during off-hours in Reply with quote

Pray you have your own office.

thebektionary wrote:
I worked at a hagwon in Guri where no one really gave two #$%# about what I did during my off-hours from teaching. Before that, I worked at another hagwon that was absolute hell where the boss scorned me if I did anything other than planning or cleaning the hagwon during my off-hours.

I want to have the best possible relationship with my new public school I'm starting at on March 1st so that means of course I won't be browsing the internet or going on Facebook... but after all my planning is done, do you guys think that studying Korean is an appropriate thing to do? I am doing it now with a lot of enthusiasm so off-hours at work would give me a lot of extra time to work on it. I want to be well-liked and respected by my co-workers so if doing anything that doesn't relate to work, even if it is studying their language, would impede on this, I wouldn't want to do it.

Opinions? If you can, please make lists of things that would be appropriate to do and inappropriate beyond common sense answers like "planning" for appropriate and "sleeping" or "going on facebook" for inappropriate. What about reading?
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YES.

I'd also like to suggest you stay active as in too busy to be in the teachers room (playing sports, teaching a class, reading in the library) gives you more freedom to do what you like.
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Luciddreamer



Joined: 31 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: What's appropriate vs. inappropriate during off-hours in Reply with quote

thebektionary wrote:
I worked at a hagwon in Guri where no one really gave two #$%# about what I did during my off-hours from teaching. Before that, I worked at another hagwon that was absolute hell where the boss scorned me if I did anything other than planning or cleaning the hagwon during my off-hours.

I want to have the best possible relationship with my new public school I'm starting at on March 1st so that means of course I won't be browsing the internet or going on Facebook... but after all my planning is done, do you guys think that studying Korean is an appropriate thing to do? I am doing it now with a lot of enthusiasm so off-hours at work would give me a lot of extra time to work on it. I want to be well-liked and respected by my co-workers so if doing anything that doesn't relate to work, even if it is studying their language, would impede on this, I wouldn't want to do it.

Opinions? If you can, please make lists of things that would be appropriate to do and inappropriate beyond common sense answers like "planning" for appropriate and "sleeping" or "going on facebook" for inappropriate. What about reading?


at my school, it would be appropriate to study Korean once you are finished with your classes as well as with your lesson plans. Other Korean subject teachers (art, practical parts, PE) would probably even encourage it and thus it would open up new relationships with Korean teachers who you normally wouldn't talk to. you sound like a good teacher! Very Happy
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have your own office (or a small office with other teachers), do whatever you want. Facebook, surf the internet, whatever. Also, you can walk around as long as you stay in the building/school grounds.

Depending on your school's administration, you maybe allowed to leave school. Just let someone know "I'm going to the bank" or "I gotta run an errand. Be back in later".

Some school's admin is anal about people leaving the school during hours. One school wouldn't let me cross the street to the convenience store. They made up some excuse like "You are the school's responsibility during your contract hours and if you got hurt or in an accident then we would be responsible".

My other school didn't give a crap what I did as long as I was ontime for all my classes.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: What's appropriate vs. inappropriate during off-hours in Reply with quote

thebektionary wrote:
I worked at a hagwon in Guri where no one really gave two #$%# about what I did during my off-hours from teaching. Before that, I worked at another hagwon that was absolute hell where the boss scorned me if I did anything other than planning or cleaning the hagwon during my off-hours.

I want to have the best possible relationship with my new public school I'm starting at on March 1st so that means of course I won't be browsing the internet or going on Facebook... but after all my planning is done, do you guys think that studying Korean is an appropriate thing to do? I am doing it now with a lot of enthusiasm so off-hours at work would give me a lot of extra time to work on it. I want to be well-liked and respected by my co-workers so if doing anything that doesn't relate to work, even if it is studying their language, would impede on this, I wouldn't want to do it.

Opinions? If you can, please make lists of things that would be appropriate to do and inappropriate beyond common sense answers like "planning" for appropriate and "sleeping" or "going on facebook" for inappropriate. What about reading?



Studying Korean is a good thing. However I would be wary of the suggestions about going on FB or the internet. Yes some schools don't mind, but some schools are anal. And some schools act like they don't care...but when time comes for a renewal don't be surprised if this is an issue.

I suggest getting the lay of the land (so as to speak) before implementing any suggestions above.
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Appropriate: Studying Korean, and then talking about how you love to go to Church every Sunday to study with Pastor Kim.

Inappropriate: Putting your female co-teacher's picture up on the staff room wall and using it to demonstrate the meaning of Bukkakee porn.
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Malislamusrex



Joined: 01 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the guys I used to know had to share an office with the Korean teachers, he said it was hell. The biggest problem I had was deciding if I should watch game of thrones on my pc, or if I should make a day of it and put the show on the 60inch wall screen in my classroom. }
I more often than not put the show on the 60 inch screen and watched it with surround sound.
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like hagwons it can vary by school.

If no one is complaining about you or your classes, then you should never have a thing to worry about.

Study Korean, go on Facebook, walk around the school, make something, sleep in the nurses office if you don't feel well.

Although some Korean teachers sleep at their desks, I wouldn't recommend that you do it.

Be careful with leaving the school. Some are very serious about it, others don't care. Again, I find that teachers who have no complaints about them are given a lot more freedom. Although there are a few really great teachers who get stuck with terribile supervisors.
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Rutherford



Joined: 31 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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of course I won't be browsing the internet or going on Facebook


HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
If you get a school that requires deskwarming this will seem very funny in retrospect.

Public schools vary so I can only comment on my experience. I browsed the internet, watched movies on the big screen TV, studied Korean in the library or sometimes the teacher's office. No one really cared. When they saw me studying Korean they seemed happy about it. I was renewed twice.

Korean school culture doesn't have the same emphasis on productivity. A teacher who prepares a ton in private but calls in sick from time to time, skips the staff dinners and is too busy for staff volleyball practice might not be liked as much as someone who is obviously watching movies or sleeping off hangovers but shows up every day and attends all the team drinking, work dinners, staff sports, etc.

If you cover your bases you should be able to do whatever you want unless you have an extremely anal coteacher or VP. First, the kids should like you. Prepare for your classes and make them fun. Second, be a team player. Don't skip staff dinners. If your coworkers are interested, have a staff English class once a week. Make it light and fun and involving alcohol if possible. Third, get a feel for the office vibe. If the other teachers are stressing out getting prepared for a school festival you should look busy or at least don't be obviously not busy around them. If it's a normal day, take a nap or whatever.
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goreality



Joined: 09 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things do vary from school to school, but generally since no one is concerned about company profit, they just want someone they like. The more they like you the more things you can do that would be considered inappropriate. If they don't like you, you are doomed to being seen as a bad teacher no matter how well you teach and prepare. It doesn't matter if your students like you or not.
So to ensure that you are liked try your best to kiss butt when it comes to all things Korean and be a team player. The less you behave like a foreigner the better.
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bbud656



Joined: 15 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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watch game of thrones on my pc, or if I should make a day of it and put the show on the 60inch wall screen in my classroom


You must have been quick with the mouse whenever *beep* popped up
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thebektionary



Joined: 11 May 2011

PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rutherford wrote:
Quote:
of course I won't be browsing the internet or going on Facebook


HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
If you get a school that requires deskwarming this will seem very funny in retrospect.

Public schools vary so I can only comment on my experience. I browsed the internet, watched movies on the big screen TV, studied Korean in the library or sometimes the teacher's office. No one really cared. When they saw me studying Korean they seemed happy about it. I was renewed twice.

Korean school culture doesn't have the same emphasis on productivity. A teacher who prepares a ton in private but calls in sick from time to time, skips the staff dinners and is too busy for staff volleyball practice might not be liked as much as someone who is obviously watching movies or sleeping off hangovers but shows up every day and attends all the team drinking, work dinners, staff sports, etc.

If you cover your bases you should be able to do whatever you want unless you have an extremely anal coteacher or VP. First, the kids should like you. Prepare for your classes and make them fun. Second, be a team player. Don't skip staff dinners. If your coworkers are interested, have a staff English class once a week. Make it light and fun and involving alcohol if possible. Third, get a feel for the office vibe. If the other teachers are stressing out getting prepared for a school festival you should look busy or at least don't be obviously not busy around them. If it's a normal day, take a nap or whatever.


I meant during normal school. I plan on doing whatever the hell I want during desk-warming.
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