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jondepoer
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 Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:28 am Post subject: CANADIANS: E2 Visa Criminal Check Changes for 2011? |
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Hello teachers,
Can anybody give me a reliable source (ie: NOT a recruiter or blog) that lays out the regulations for Canadian Criminal Checks for an E2 visa after January 2011?
Recruiters and potential employers are giving me contradictory information. The websites for both the Montreal and Toronto consulates say nothing about it.
I know that Americans require a national (FBI?) check now, but what about Canadians. I was under the impression that all Provincial checks are run through a federal database, since one's record is not tied to individual states like the US system. I already have a check from my Provincial police force which has been accepted at every job I've ever applied for in multiple countries.
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:13 am Post subject: Re: CANADIANS: E2 Visa Criminal Check Changes for 2011? |
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| jondepoer wrote: |
Hello teachers,
Can anybody give me a reliable source (ie: NOT a recruiter or blog) that lays out the regulations for Canadian Criminal Checks for an E2 visa after January 2011?
Recruiters and potential employers are giving me contradictory information. The websites for both the Montreal and Toronto consulates say nothing about it.
I know that Americans require a national (FBI?) check now, but what about Canadians. I was under the impression that all Provincial checks are run through a federal database, since one's record is not tied to individual states like the US system. I already have a check from my Provincial police force which has been accepted at every job I've ever applied for in multiple countries.
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I think you will be OK if you're background check says in clear writing somewhere on it that it was run through the RCMP national database. Most local and provincial checks mention this on the form, so it shouldn't be a problem. |
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jondepoer
Joined: 02 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:33 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm. Upon close inspection, the certificate does state that the check is "based solely upon the local records of the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary".
The question now becomes whether anything has actually changed for Canadians.
I really want to see the regulations on an official website, either Canadian or Korean. |
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dbtm
Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Location: ottawa
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| Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| my check was done at the edmonton police and it says on the back that it was run through the national CPIC database. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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People People PEOPLE - do not for a second believe that because it was very likely checked on CPIC database and it might be stated that on your CRC it will be accepted. No No Noo
Skippy's Rules of Korea #1 - Throw out all concepts of LOGIC when in Korea or dealing with it's people.
You will hear for some teacher - My friend was able to get in using an old 3 year old city of Winnipeg criminal record check, blah blah. Take what they say with a big grain of salt.
You are going to be dealing with Bureaucrats who will either
Not understand English well enough - whoops they missed the words Royal Canadian Mounted Police because the do not understand the word Mounted.
Are lazy - Yep those special words RCMP are on the back page, but he was looking for it on the front and he/she was too lazy to look extra close.
Will and are pedantic - Sorry close enough is not good enough. You have to submit with the proper forms and must look like the extact as the sample on his screen. And so on.
Now I think National CRCs have been postponed for a while. Still I would get one. Yes it does take longer but get it done. Get you provincial or city too if it takes shorter time but expect them to very likely not get accepted. True you might luck out. So hope for the best plan for the worst. |
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ssavage4
Joined: 04 Feb 2012
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I just got an email from my recruiter saying that there is an issue with my criminal record check. Immigration said that it was not done on a national level so cannot be approved. I'm a Canadian, and the background check was run through the CPIC system (it says this on the record check). My local police assures me that it is a national background check.
Is there anything I can do now? |
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posnew
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: Korean Immigration Website |
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| jondepoer wrote: |
Hmmm. Upon close inspection, the certificate does state that the check is "based solely upon the local records of the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary".
The question now becomes whether anything has actually changed for Canadians.
I really want to see the regulations on an official website, either Canadian or Korean. |
You can take a look at the list of acknowledged places for background checks below:
http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_kr.pt?categoryId=1&parentId=11&catSeq=294&showMenuId=8&visaId=E2
Scroll down and then you will see some English.
In the box are examples of places that issue record checks for that country. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Bottom line:
Extension/renewal/transfer = ASK immigration if you need a new one.
Chances are that you do not.
New visa = immigration will accept any CRC from Canada that has a Korean consulate (in Canada) certification stamp on it.
There have been no changes in the policy regarding Canadian CBCs since 2008.
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ssavage4
Joined: 04 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| My criminal record check was stamped by the Korean Consulate in Toronto, but they still are saying that they don't think its national. Is there anything I can do? Or do I just need to let them make a decision? |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:46 am Post subject: |
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The problem is the Toronto Kotean consulate is vague on requirements.
http://www.koreanconsulate.on.ca/en/?mnu=a02b04
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B: Criminal Records Search Certificate Confirmation
1. Original criminal records search certificate.
2. Photocopy and an original of the photo ID ( Driver's License or Passport )
3. $4.00 per document (Cash or Money Order only, Personal cheque is not acceptable)
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If applying by mail
- a self addressed prepaid envelope (only Xpresspost is accepted) is required.
- DO NOT send an original photo ID(passport). |
Now this thread is a little old. A RCMP check is still king but I have had a Calgary Police check accepted. The Vancouver consulate page has more details and I would consider using their criteria but for Toronto consulate area provinces. So provincial check and city checks I think will be accepted BUT the check has to have had a national CPIC database. You might want to look at know where to point when you go in. STILL do not take MY well it worked for me. Re-read my post above.
As I commented above, people are lazy. So if you can just point out the CPIC or the word national the consulate desk jockey should take it.
If your city/provincial check is not accepted you might consider getting a name check from your LOCAL RCMP detachment. Walk in a get one.
Good Luck |
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ssavage4
Joined: 04 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:08 am Post subject: |
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I have actually used this same background check (not literally the same of course, but the same process) the 3 times I've previously gone to work in Korea with no problem. I called the consulate in Toronto and they said that yes, it is national and all that I need, and that they wouldn't have apostilled it if it were incorrect. It is just that immigration in Korea is having an issue with it, because it only says that the criminal record check was run through CPIC, but doesn't specify that CPIC is our national database.
I'm just at a loss of how I can explain to immigration that CPIC is the national database... since they won't talk to me over the phone, and I'm still in Canada. I explained CPIC to my recruiter, but in an email he sent me, it sounds like he just told immigration that my background check is indeed national, but didn't tell them to look into CPIC.
Do I have no choice here but to sit back and let my recruiter handle things? And if my visa is denied...can I apply again right away for another job?
Thanks so much for any help. |
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sbp59
Joined: 01 Apr 2009
Location: Somewhere in SK
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:09 am Post subject: |
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I have actually used this same background check (not literally the same of course, but the same process) the 3 times I've previously gone to work in Korea with no problem. I called the consulate in Toronto and they said that yes, it is national and all that I need, and that they wouldn't have apostilled it if it were incorrect. It is just that immigration in Korea is having an issue with it, because it only says that the criminal record check was run through CPIC, but doesn't specify that CPIC is our national database.
I'm just at a loss of how I can explain to immigration that CPIC is the national database... since they won't talk to me over the phone, and I'm still in Canada. I explained CPIC to my recruiter, but in an email he sent me, it sounds like he just told immigration that my background check is indeed national, but didn't tell them to look into CPIC.
Do I have no choice here but to sit back and let my recruiter handle things? And if my visa is denied...can I apply again right away for another job?
Thanks so much for any help. |
I feel bad for you, your situation sucks. You did everything right but the person working at immigration in Korea is being an idiot. You need your employer in Korea to go down to immigration and make it right. I've seen it before, the korean businessman in his high priced suit goes down to immigration and won't take no for an answer, 15 mins later visa issuance # is granted. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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I have actually used this same background check (not literally the same of course, but the same process) the 3 times I've previously gone to work in Korea with no problem. I called the consulate in Toronto and they said that yes, it is national and all that I need, and that they wouldn't have apostilled it if it were incorrect. It is just that immigration in Korea is having an issue with it, because it only says that the criminal record check was run through CPIC, but doesn't specify that CPIC is our national database.
I'm just at a loss of how I can explain to immigration that CPIC is the national database... since they won't talk to me over the phone, and I'm still in Canada. I explained CPIC to my recruiter, but in an email he sent me, it sounds like he just told immigration that my background check is indeed national, but didn't tell them to look into CPIC.
Do I have no choice here but to sit back and let my recruiter handle things? And if my visa is denied...can I apply again right away for another job?
Thanks so much for any help. |
I feel bad for you, your situation sucks. You did everything right but the person working at immigration in Korea is being an idiot. You need your employer in Korea to go down to immigration and make it right. I've seen it before, the korean businessman in his high priced suit goes down to immigration and won't take no for an answer, 15 mins later visa issuance # is granted. |
Two things pop into my mind. First, this is typical government bureaucracy and incompetence. The joke goes is you want a different answer ask a different official. Recruiter can try again and get it passed. Still the immigration is a question. Is the CRC verified by the Toronto consulate? Because I am surprised is the immi official just does not look for the nice in Korean stamp and feel satisfied. People are generally lazy.
Another part of me thinks you are being BSed. If you CRC and other paperwork are verified I would expect immi to just rubber stamp them. Why is the recruiter doing this, should not you future employers being doing this? I suspect the recruiter might be playing you. Say the paperwork is held up. He can stall you for a week or two, then surprise! Rescue you with an alternative aka another school. Or he is just saying immigration is at fault when he might just be being lazy, you are in a rush, he has time so he puts you on the back burner.
Good Luck |
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ssavage4
Joined: 04 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Hi Skippy,
Yes my CRC was notorized by the Consulate. That is part of the reason I can't quite get my head around the issue....
I was also thinking that I might be being BSed... especially since I was supposed to start Feb 1st and there keeps being delays. I've worked for this school before, so I would like to think that they wouldn't BS me... but it is just getting ridiculous.
Since they've informed the recruiter of the problem and told him that they would look into it more, its been another 3 working days without news. Is that typical or should I have heard something by now?
If my visa is denied... can I use the same documents to apply again at a different job? Or must I start the entire process again? |
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