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des_mitch83



Joined: 18 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:25 pm    Post subject: Blood money question Reply with quote

Hey all,

I am from England and currently residing there. I spent a year teaching English in Korea a few years back.

One night in Itaewon I was attacked by another foreigner. Being larger than he was and pissed off I socked him a few times which left him rather worse for wear to put it mildly.

Unfortunalty police were nearby and took both of us to the nearest police station.

I had to go back the next week and after several hours of translating and discussions about what happened with Korean police (confusion central) it was decided that I would pay blood money to him, he paid some money to me too.

After fingerprints etc were taken I thankfully never heard from Korean police or the asshole who started a fight with me.

Korean law seems to assume that in a fight the person who ends up worst is the victim, regardless of who started it.

I am applying for a job at the minute which requires a rather enhanced vetting of my past.

Would this incident show up? From what I understand blood money paid is a way of getting out of legal issues, though at the same time it appears that it could be seen as money paid for bringing a CONVICTED CRIMINAL to justice.

Is blood money a way of bribing someone and getting out of getting a crinal record/conviction?

Basically I am wondering- Do I have a criminal record in Korea and if I was to do a criminal record search on myself in Korea would this show up?

Thanks
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creeper1



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I (like you) think that blood money is a way of avoiding the criminal process and a record. You never know for sure though.

Just apply. If you aren't successful you will know why.
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loose_ends



Joined: 23 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Blood money question Reply with quote

des_mitch83 wrote:
Hey all,

I am from England and currently residing there. I spent a year teaching English in Korea a few years back.

One night in Itaewon I was attacked by another foreigner. Being larger than he was and pissed off I socked him a few times which left him rather worse for wear to put it mildly.

Unfortunalty police were nearby and took both of us to the nearest police station.

I had to go back the next week and after several hours of translating and discussions about what happened with Korean police (confusion central) it was decided that I would pay blood money to him, he paid some money to me too.

After fingerprints etc were taken I thankfully never heard from Korean police or the asshole who started a fight with me.

Korean law seems to assume that in a fight the person who ends up worst is the victim, regardless of who started it.

I am applying for a job at the minute which requires a rather enhanced vetting of my past.

Would this incident show up? From what I understand blood money paid is a way of getting out of legal issues, though at the same time it appears that it could be seen as money paid for bringing a CONVICTED CRIMINAL to justice.

Is blood money a way of bribing someone and getting out of getting a crinal record/conviction?

Basically I am wondering- Do I have a criminal record in Korea and if I was to do a criminal record search on myself in Korea would this show up?

Thanks


Back in 2003 I was beaten up pretty badly but an insane dude at a bar with a pool cue. Stitches concussion, etc. Anyway, he paid me a lot of "blood money" to make the charges go away. He is still living in Korea, still on an E2. He has no criminal record.

You are fine.
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des_mitch83



Joined: 18 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks,
So the general consensus is that blood money is money paid between parties so as to avoid the criminal process which includes getting a criminal record?
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kimchijigijig



Joined: 27 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

des_mitch83 wrote:
thanks,
So the general consensus is that blood money is money paid between parties so as to avoid the criminal process which includes getting a criminal record?


I maybe wrong here as it was second hand information but I heard a foreign guy did something to a korean guy. He wasn't charged as he paid the blood money. But even though he wasn't charged there was a record of his arrest on police file and thus, according to the process of E2 applications, has a criminal record.

Like I said, please don't quote me on it as it was second hand information.
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loose_ends



Joined: 23 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

des_mitch83 wrote:
thanks,
So the general consensus is that blood money is money paid between parties so as to avoid the criminal process which includes getting a criminal record?


From the sounds of your OP, you aren't living in Korea anymore and are not returning. So who really cares either way?
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des_mitch83



Joined: 18 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reason for asking is because I am applying for a job which requires a record check of all previous addresses, including in Korea
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PBRstreetgang21



Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no such thing as blood money in Korea-- it is a misconception by foreigners who come from countries that are based on common law systems and don't understand how the civil law systems functions.

The money you refer to is "settlement money". In civil law country like Korea (or Germany or France for that matter) there is no separation between civil and criminal courts-- they are both the same. So whereas in the UK or the US assault is a criminal offense pursued in a criminal court, to seek damages you have pursue the matter in civil court. Ex. OJ Simpson was found not guilty of criminal charges for murder but was found guilty of negligence on civil charges and ordered to pay a lot of money to the family of the victims.

Korea doesn't work that way. Monetary damages and criminal charges are pursued simultaneously. This means that unlike in the US where one can get a plea bargain to avoid criminal charges but still may be found liable in civil court, in Korea (or in certain European countries for that matter) the "plea bargain" so to speak, can take many forms--- in this case "settlement money". In Korea the settlement money acts as a kind of plea bargain, you can refuse to pay money or even refuse to accept the money, which means the matter will go to court. The reason why so many people who were not the instigators pay money to people who instigate just because they "look worse off" is because they are afraid if the matter goes to trial they will have difficulty proving their innocence, thus they would rather just pay the money (however unjustified) than face the prospect of being found guilty. After all, two drunks fighting in an all with no camera footage makes it a story of my word against yours and who got hurts the worst.

This idea of blood money is a misunderstanding. One neither must pay nor accept, but doing so forces a trial.
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des_mitch83



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, can't pm you as I don't have enough post counts. It sounds like you know your stuff, which is what I have been looking for.

So this settlement money paid would therefore stop a case going to court- in that case is a person found guilty when they pay the money. ie would they automatically get a criminal record?
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eat_yeot



Joined: 11 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PBRstreetgang21 wrote:
The reason why so many people who were not the instigators pay money to people who instigate just because they "look worse off" is because they are afraid if the matter goes to trial they will have difficulty proving their innocence, thus they would rather just pay the money (however unjustified) than face the prospect of being found guilty.


aka blood money.
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radcon



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a crappy system Korea has.
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Churchgirl



Joined: 18 Feb 2012
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, I am wondering if anyone can refer me to an attorney in Seoul who is bilingual and can help me. I got injured by a guy. The situation is complicated. I want to know what the consequences will be for him and me if I file charges at the police station or pursue it as a civil matter. The guy doesn't want to pay for my medical expenses (I have insurance, but it doesn't cover everything).

I need to speak with a lawyer who has dealt with this before and who can advise me whether I should pursue criminal and /or civil action. Please help. Thank you!
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byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PBRstreetgang21 wrote:
There is no such thing as blood money in Korea-- it is a misconception by foreigners who come from countries that are based on common law systems and don't understand how the civil law systems functions.

The money you refer to is "settlement money".


Twist the wording however you want; it's the same damn thing.
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swinewho



Joined: 17 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
PBRstreetgang21 wrote:
There is no such thing as blood money in Korea-- it is a misconception by foreigners who come from countries that are based on common law systems and don't understand how the civil law systems functions.

The money you refer to is "settlement money".


Twist the wording however you want; it's the same damn thing.


I guess it's better than the UK's approach though - It's quite tough to get sent to jail in the UK now - there all full!

If someone's going to randomly attack me in the street, i'd rather get some money, as opposed to them getting a slap on the wrist, paying 50 quid court costs and being set free! (to do it again)
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byrddogs



Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swinewho wrote:
Quote:
PBRstreetgang21 wrote:
There is no such thing as blood money in Korea-- it is a misconception by foreigners who come from countries that are based on common law systems and don't understand how the civil law systems functions.

The money you refer to is "settlement money".


Twist the wording however you want; it's the same damn thing.


I guess it's better than the UK's approach though - It's quite tough to get sent to jail in the UK now - there all full!

If someone's going to randomly attack me in the street, i'd rather get some money, as opposed to them getting a slap on the wrist, paying 50 quid court costs and being set free! (to do it again)


Got the same system that Korea uses here in China with the difference being that it is more just. I just settled for a payment in my favor (stupid kid vs. man that could have hurt him badly yet chose not to). That said kid spent all of the Spring Festival in jail (which was enough for me), but the wife went after the $$, lol.
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