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ForeverWanderlust
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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 Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:52 am Post subject: Quitting and Returning |
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Do recruiters / schools care if you quit your last job?
Or do they really not worry about it if you give them a plausible reason why?
Or should you just not mention it and hope they dont see your old visa stamp in your passport.
I am alittle unsure how to approach this issue when looking for a new job all over again after 3 months of being back home. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:37 am Post subject: Re: Quitting and Returning |
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
Do recruiters / schools care if you quit your last job?
Or do they really not worry about it if you give them a plausible reason why?
Or should you just not mention it and hope they dont see your old visa stamp in your passport.
I am alittle unsure how to approach this issue when looking for a new job all over again after 3 months of being back home. |
Of course, they care. The recruiter knows that he/she may not get paid if you don't finish your contract. I dealt with it by just not bringing it up. By the time your boss has an opportunity to look through your passport, you'll already be in Korea with a new visa in your passport. It's very unlikely that your school will want to get rid of you at that point. They're not going to want spend the time and money to hire another teacher. Of course, when you visit the Korean consulate you will have to be honest on the visa application form since they can access a record of your visits to Korea. |
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ForeverWanderlust
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Yea Im thinking the best thing is to just not bring it up.
Wouldnt the school find out before you arrive in Korea as they have to get your visa worked out pre-flight? ie They would see you already have a visa number and just have to re-new it? Or do you get a completely new visa and number?
Im think im just stressing out over this for nothing as plenty of people quit and return / get new jobs all the time... lol |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
Wouldnt the school find out before you arrive in Korea as they have to get your visa worked out pre-flight? ie They would see you already have a visa number and just have to re-new it? Or do you get a completely new visa and number?
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You have to get a completely new visa number and visa. You have to submit all the required documents again.
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ForeverWanderlust
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:55 am Post subject: |
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I was under the impression you kept the same identification numbers.
Well thats good to hear. |
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modernseoul
Joined: 11 Sep 2011
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
Yea Im thinking the best thing is to just not bring it up.
Wouldnt the school find out before you arrive in Korea as they have to get your visa worked out pre-flight? ie They would see you already have a visa number and just have to re-new it? Or do you get a completely new visa and number?
Im think im just stressing out over this for nothing as plenty of people quit and return / get new jobs all the time... lol |
It depends on how you quit? If you gave notice and your boss canceled your visa, then no problem.
If you walked out and did a midnight run then its not so simple has your previous boss can blacklist you and this blocks a new application for up to a year, unless you plead your case with Korean immigration. |
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ForeverWanderlust
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
Yea Im thinking the best thing is to just not bring it up.
Wouldnt the school find out before you arrive in Korea as they have to get your visa worked out pre-flight? ie They would see you already have a visa number and just have to re-new it? Or do you get a completely new visa and number?
Im think im just stressing out over this for nothing as plenty of people quit and return / get new jobs all the time... lol |
It depends on how you quit? If you gave notice and your boss canceled your visa, then no problem.
If you walked out and did a midnight run then its not so simple has your previous boss can blacklist you and this blocks a new application for up to a year, unless you plead your case with Korean immigration. |
I have not heard of any school being able to "blacklist" you and prevent you from getting another job up to a year atleast through immigration. Maybe a few hagwons that communicate but not through immigration imo.
I dont believe that to be the case. Can anyone confirm this? |
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modernseoul
Joined: 11 Sep 2011
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
Yea Im thinking the best thing is to just not bring it up.
Wouldnt the school find out before you arrive in Korea as they have to get your visa worked out pre-flight? ie They would see you already have a visa number and just have to re-new it? Or do you get a completely new visa and number?
Im think im just stressing out over this for nothing as plenty of people quit and return / get new jobs all the time... lol |
It depends on how you quit? If you gave notice and your tboss canceled your visa, then no problem.
If you walked out and did a midnight run then its not so simple has your previous boss can blacklist you and this blocks a new application for up to a year, unless you plead your case with Korean immigration. |
Io have not heard of any school being able to "blacklist" you and prevent you from getting another job up to a year atleast through immigration. Maybe a few hagwons that communicate but not through immigration imo.
I dont believe that to be the case. Can anyone confirm this? |
I happened to my ex as her school claimed that she owed them for her flight (she did) and immigration told her she couldn't return for a year. This was 18 months ago and things may have changed. Also like everything with immigration its on a case by case basis.
I'm sure if its been at least 3 months and you explain your reasons to immigration then there won't be an issue.
Best advice is to go ahead with the visa process and see what happens, you've got little to lose. Good luck. |
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Well hello OP
I read a few of your previous posts from your hagwon in Busan.
It seems that teaching and Korea aren't for you.
This seems to be a classic case of just doing something you don't like just for the money.
I recommend you choose another career and move on from your time in Korea.
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ForeverWanderlust
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Well hello OP
I read a few of your previous posts from your hagwon in Busan.
It seems that teaching and Korea aren't for you.
This seems to be a classic case of just doing something you don't like just for the money.
I recommend you choose another career and move on from your time in Korea.
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Not all Hagwons are the same, and im certainly not the same NET I was when I came the first time. There is plenty of things I would / will do differently if I find myself back in Korea.
So please spare me with your "recommendations". And btw you realize only a small percentage of people in the world "enjoy" their job and that most people work simply to pay the bills? When did teaching ESL in Korea become a career? 90% of teachers will be moving on to their real careers after Korea and lets not kid ourselfs, almost everyone is here for the money.
smh
Thanks again though...  |
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
| creeper1 wrote: |
Well hello OP
I read a few of your previous posts from your hagwon in Busan.
It seems that teaching and Korea aren't for you.
This seems to be a classic case of just doing something you don't like just for the money.
I recommend you choose another career and move on from your time in Korea.
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Not all Hagwons are the same, and im certainly not the same NET I was when I came the first time. There is plenty of things I would / will do differently if I find myself back in Korea.
So please spare me with your "recommendations". And btw you realize only a small percentage of people in the world "enjoy" their job and that most people work simply to pay the bills? When did teaching ESL in Korea become a career? 90% of teachers will be moving on to their real careers after Korea and lets not kid ourselfs, almost everyone is here for the money.
smh
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Did it ever cross your mind that you can't hack teaching?
Why do you want to come back? Think anything has changed?
There are other countries with students more motivated to learn the English language. It is well known that a lot of Korean students are only there because they are forced to be there by their parents. Maybe you could consider those other countries with more motivated students?
I did know a couple of runners. One came back and stuck it out a year.
The other ran again.
Truth be told I have no respect for runners. If I was immigration I wouldn't issue another E-2 to you. (It is basically a waste of money on the employers part to pay someone's flight and have them run away)
Maybe I am being hard on you and your first experience was tougher than mine.
I do think you should ask yourself if you really want this though.
You said ESL was something you didn't see as a career. Well then start whatever career you want. |
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ForeverWanderlust
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| There isnt anything I can't hack if I put my mind to it. I would come back for many reasons. If I'm gonna teach ESL in Asia I'm gonna save money, which you can't do in those other countries you are talking about. I plan on going back to grad school and you need money for that. I wish life was as simple as "starting your career" |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Unless you show it to them the new school will never see your actual passport or past visa stamps. They have no reason to ask for it (beyond getting a photocopy of your information page) or to take it from you.
Immigration will know and do care. They also look at the resume you submit for the new job as part of the visa confirmation application.
Recruiters may care but they are just a middle man. If they are too lazy to work with you because of it then they are probably the same type of recruiter who placed you in your last job.
Employers may care. Some actually look. Most don't and in fact many of them can't read English well enough to know the difference. If asked, answer. If not then no worry.
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thegadfly
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
| There isnt anything I can't hack if I put my mind to it. I would come back for many reasons. If I'm gonna teach ESL in Asia I'm gonna save money, which you can't do in those other countries you are talking about. I plan on going back to grad school and you need money for that. I wish life was as simple as "starting your career" |
Except your last teaching gig in Korea?
Good luck to you and all, but dial back the hostility -- YOU were the quitter that quit, while creeper just pointed out that there was nothing different in the equation. You are just as strong as you were when you quit before, and the jobs are about as tough to deal with.... |
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cincynate
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I was under the impression you kept the same identification numbers. |
You will keep the same identification number... i.e. your arc card number will remain the same. However, your visa number will not. You will get a new visa stamped in your passport. Immigration will know that you have had another visa.
N.B. If you ran on your last contract and didn't hand in your arc card at the airport, then your visa is still valid. When your new employer finds out, he won't be able to apply for a new visa unless your previous visa has expired. (i.e. the full 13 months have gone by). |
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