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perryredmon
Joined: 17 Feb 2012
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:37 am Post subject: Trouble at my Hagwon...new to the country. |
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I have found that my employers are very nice people. But one of the directors is holding my paperwork until I pay her the 1000 dollars for the plane ticket that she had bought me. They have been unable to help me with many things mostly because they are literally too busy to deal with anything that would give them a heads up on how to do things. They really just aren't that organized. It took me 6 weeks to get an ID card which seemed a bit long. I had to go with my director to get a bank account and he rushed me through it just to get me back to work. The work me for 55+hours and I only get paid for 30 or so. Which, if you go by their standards, is right. I am quite certain that the director holding my paperwork has it out for me. It also took me 6 weeks to get a bank account so now I am almost three months behind on bills in the US. She keeps on telling me that she is there to help me but really doesn't have time for anyone but my Korean Co-workers. She goes out with them constantly, and has time for them everyday but can't even spare five minutes before or after work for me. I have seen this for the last two months. the only reason I have actually been able to speak to her finally is the fact that I told her I am giving my two months notice and leaving. As soon as I told her this I had at least two hours to talk to her. It was nuts. Then she pretty much threatened that she wouldn't give me a release to anywhere until she took that money out of my next paycheck and found a replacement for me. The she looked me right in the face and said " Its just business." Is there anything anyone can do to help me just get out of here once I get my next check that she is apparently going to take a 1000 dollars from? I had to go get my own cell phone, my own cable and internet, and meet friends on my own. To be honest I know Korean but I am not a Korean person and in this town there is nothing to do. I am in a bad situation and need a little help. I need some advice. Possibly legal advice too. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:15 am Post subject: |
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First time away from home?
If you are under 6 months you are pretty much under the 8-ball. You can be released in a heartbeat without cause or notice. They are under NO obligation to give you a letter of release.
Time to READ the relevant labor laws and actually READ your contract.
http://www.moel.go.kr/english/topic/laborlaw_view.jsp?idx=254&tab=Standards
Now for the really bad news:
You are NOT in the Litigious States of America.
YOU have to take responsibility for yourself. It is NOT your employers job to get you a bank account or get you your ARC. It is NOT your employers job to hand hold you through your transition to life as an expat.
You are NOT on a paid holiday.
It is your responsibility to deal with unfair labor practices in an appropriate manner. Learn about the labor board and how to deal with it.
Lastly, airfare is strictly a contractual matter and if your contract says that you repay it if you terminate early then you get to repay it.
The good news is that you can quit.
You can stay in Korea (learn about a D10 visa), get a new job and get on with it.
You can fight for unpaid wages (50 hours or 50 classes? it makes a difference if a "class hour" is NOT defined in your contract).
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perryredmon
Joined: 17 Feb 2012
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:30 am Post subject: |
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I was told by the woman who said and did all of this that she has to help me and sign off on my bank account. I know its my responsibility. I am asking if there is another way to do things. I pretty much did everything myself. I work from 9am til 7~8pm. Idont have time for anything xuring the day for business hours. |
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Allthechildrenareinsane
Joined: 23 Jun 2011 Location: Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:34 am Post subject: Re: Trouble at my Hagwon...new to the country. |
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perryredmon wrote: |
I have found that my employers are very nice people. But one of the directors is holding my paperwork until I pay her the 1000 dollars for the plane ticket that she had bought me. They have been unable to help me with many things mostly because they are literally too busy to deal with anything that would give them a heads up on how to do things. They really just aren't that organized. It took me 6 weeks to get an ID card which seemed a bit long. I had to go with my director to get a bank account and he rushed me through it just to get me back to work. The work me for 55+hours and I only get paid for 30 or so. Which, if you go by their standards, is right. I am quite certain that the director holding my paperwork has it out for me. It also took me 6 weeks to get a bank account so now I am almost three months behind on bills in the US. She keeps on telling me that she is there to help me but really doesn't have time for anyone but my Korean Co-workers. She goes out with them constantly, and has time for them everyday but can't even spare five minutes before or after work for me. I have seen this for the last two months. the only reason I have actually been able to speak to her finally is the fact that I told her I am giving my two months notice and leaving. As soon as I told her this I had at least two hours to talk to her. It was nuts. Then she pretty much threatened that she wouldn't give me a release to anywhere until she took that money out of my next paycheck and found a replacement for me. The she looked me right in the face and said " Its just business." Is there anything anyone can do to help me just get out of here once I get my next check that she is apparently going to take a 1000 dollars from? I had to go get my own cell phone, my own cable and internet, and meet friends on my own. To be honest I know Korean but I am not a Korean person and in this town there is nothing to do. I am in a bad situation and need a little help. I need some advice. Possibly legal advice too. |
Not sure if you're trolling or not, but I'll take a crack at some of what you addressed in your post:
What does your contract say regarding airfare? It's usually the school who pays for airfare, NOT the teacher, so unless there's some clause in your contract about reimbursing the school for your airfare (which should be a red flag as far as working for a particular school), you shouldn't have to pay them back. (EDIT: Was she going to make you pay for the airfare before you told her you were leaving or was it only after you gave her notice? If the latter, then you probably would have to pay her back as some contracts have a stipulation to the effect that if you don't work so many months you have to reimburse your employer for airfare.)
Not organized, you say? Welcome to the wonderful world of working at a hagwon (or just working in Korea in general).
A 55 hour work week? Is that teaching/contact hours, or does that figure include prep time as well? Prep time is typically unpaid.
As far as obtaining the items and services you mentioned (phone, cable and internet), your employer isn't necessarily obligated to help you with these, although they typically do. Couldn't one of your coworkers have helped you out with some of these things? And if you "know Korean," why would you need anyone's help to begin with? As for having to "meet friends on [your] own," I mean, c'mon, seriously?
Also, when you say your boss is holding your paperwork, what exactly do you mean by "paperwork": a letter of release, your degree, your passport?
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Take this as a learning experience. Each time I work at a school, I learn something new. Hopefully, I have minimized my losses with more success also.
As mentioned, look into the D10 visa.
Look over your contract, see exactly what classes you are required to teach. Feel free to post it in the contract thread and I'll give you my take on it. I quite often go to my schools with a notebook and current schedule and give them ground rules. For example, 1 block of classes is about 3 or 4 classes at 45 minutes. If they need to spread my available time out, then I allow for 1 hour somewhere between those classes. You don't want a horrendous split-shift schedule.
She should still owe pension, so you might want to stay quiet on this or she is likely to screw you by taking more pay from you. You can collect on it after you go to your new school.
You mentioned 1,000 for airfare, but without a contract it is unclear if you were required to pay for it. Usually the school pays for it. As for internet, you can move the line to your new location. You may want a Korean friend to help out with this. The phone thing is a non-issue, that's 100% your responsibility.
There isn't much legal recourse here, so I suggest you play it nice, don't mention pension because you can collect on it later. If she didn't plan that into her expenses, it will be a nice surprise later on. Post your contract if you want in the contract thread. |
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perryredmon
Joined: 17 Feb 2012
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:51 am Post subject: |
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I am very thankful for the info on being able to transfer my internet and cable. I am obligated to pay her for the cost of the ticket. The phone I had to go to seoul for because the busineses where I live aren't open past 7pm or weekends. I already gave her my two month notice. My collegues don't speak to the foreign teachers. They are no help whatsoever. The only other foreign teach doesn't have communication with them either or any of the bosses and works the same hours pretty much. I teach all grades besides college and no it isn't a split shift. And yeah its pretty hard making friends working from 9am to 8pm . The only people I know are all business owners here where I live. They are all korean. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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gobbledygook
Joined: 18 Feb 2012
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:31 am Post subject: |
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FYI just in case you forgot, call up your embassy for advice. Even if they dont know the areas that youre enquiring about, they can always refer you to the relevant people/agents who may of good help to you. |
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zombiedog
Joined: 03 Oct 2011
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Contrary to what has been said above, you're employer actually is responsible to help you get set up, at the bare minimum, in Korea. That means: helping you set up a bank account, helping you get your ARC, helping you get your medical check, and helping you out with problems in your housing should they arise.
Unfortunately sometimes you need to be pretty forward in order to get what you need. Don't take it to the extreme, they aren't there to wipe your butt, but because of the language barrier they are there to assist.
Good luck. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: |
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zombiedog wrote: |
Contrary to what has been said above, you're employer actually is responsible to help you get set up, at the bare minimum, in Korea. That means: helping you set up a bank account, helping you get your ARC, helping you get your medical check, and helping you out with problems in your housing should they arise.
Unfortunately sometimes you need to be pretty forward in order to get what you need. Don't take it to the extreme, they aren't there to wipe your butt, but because of the language barrier they are there to assist.
Good luck. |
No, ttompatz gave the correct info above.
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YOU have to take responsibility for yourself. It is NOT your employers job to get you a bank account or get you your ARC. It is NOT your employers job to hand hold you through your transition to life as an expat.
You are NOT on a paid holiday.
It is your responsibility to deal with unfair labor practices in an appropriate manner. Learn about the labor board and how to deal with it.
Lastly, airfare is strictly a contractual matter and if your contract says that you repay it if you terminate early then you get to repay it. |
Your employer does not have to help you out with all these little chores. Sure, at many schools and most of the best schools they make an effort to assist the teacher in the transition to Korea: getting the health check, getting the ARC, hooking up utilities, setting up bank accounts, taking you shopping the first time, explaining the function of household appliances, changing lightbulbs ... But these are not the employer's responsibility.
You will eventually have to learn to take care of yourself a bit in Korea. There are plenty of teachers who will tell you that they took care of all of those things without any assistance at all from their school.
It does sound like the OP is away from home for the first time and is having a hard time adjusting.
OP. You say your bosses are nice people. So, just work out your notice time and collect your last pay minus your airfare. If you are planning to stay in Korea you should be using this time to find a new job and a place to live while you're looking for a new job if you can't make a smooth transition.
Since you don't have the moxie to take care of the little things you have complained about, you certainly don't have what it takes to leave on bad terms and go through any legal battle, especially in Korea with no help and new places to find and new rules to learn. Work out your 60 days notice, look for a new job with people who will hold your hand and move on as gently as you can. Maybe your new boss will help you deal with your old boss. |
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zombiedog
Joined: 03 Oct 2011
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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for a newcomer to Korea these are not "little chores". These are about major issues to survival in Korea, and the employer has implicit obligation to to provide some sort of help is solving these questions.
Sure, if you stay around for years and years like some of these old crusties that post on this forum, you'll probably figure a lot of this stuff out for yourself, but you shouldn't at all feel like you are putting a burden on your boss for getting help doing them.
If you are, you could very well be working at a dismal place.
This is not to say that you shouldn't figure out how to do these things. That's fine, but having lived in a number for foreign countries, there is no shame in having your employer help you. |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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zombiedog wrote: |
for a newcomer to Korea these are not "little chores". These are about major issues to survival in Korea, and the employer has implicit obligation to to provide some sort of help is solving these questions.
Sure, if you stay around for years and years like some of these old crusties that post on this forum, you'll probably figure a lot of this stuff out for yourself, but you shouldn't at all feel like you are putting a burden on your boss for getting help doing them.
If you are, you could very well be working at a dismal place.
This is not to say that you shouldn't figure out how to do these things. That's fine, but having lived in a number for foreign countries, there is no shame in having your employer help you. |
While I agree that a reasonable employer would help out with these issues, as the help drastically improves the experience for the new teacher (thus protecting the employer's investment), I also have to point out that there is NO obligation for the employer to do so...just like there is no actual obligation that makes me take the new guy out to lunch on his first day, or out for a beer or coffee after his first night. I do it because I think it is a kindness, and hope it makes things easier for him (or her, as the case may be...).
I'm all for being nice to people, and helping out. I am also all for being able to tell what IS an obligation on the part of someone, and what is a FAVOR. I've had folks think that the nice things I have done are actually things they are owed somehow....
If your job does help you with that stuff, be sure to say "thank you," as it ISN'T a requirement, and it DOES make your life hella easier to get that help. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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zombiedog wrote: |
for a newcomer to Korea these are not "little chores". These are about major issues to survival in Korea, and the employer has implicit obligation to to provide some sort of help is solving these questions.
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There is no obligation implicit or otherwise on the employer's part.
It's called doing someone a favor. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:42 am Post subject: |
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zombiedog wrote: |
for a newcomer to Korea these are not "little chores". These are about major issues to survival in Korea, and the employer has implicit obligation to to provide some sort of help is solving these questions.
Sure, if you stay around for years and years like some of these old crusties that post on this forum, you'll probably figure a lot of this stuff out for yourself, but you shouldn't at all feel like you are putting a burden on your boss for getting help doing them.
If you are, you could very well be working at a dismal place.
This is not to say that you shouldn't figure out how to do these things. That's fine, but having lived in a number for foreign countries, there is no shame in having your employer help you. |
Actually, no, these are little chores, and it can be fun doing them.
From the day of my arrival in Korea, my first school did nothing to help. Each teacher had to arrange for their own ARC, landline phone, cell phone, kitchen appliances other than the sink and refrigerator, heating oil for the winter and hot water ... And it was not that hard, kind of a fun challenge to go out, ask directions, get lost and find your way again, ask questions, get information, talk to new people, communicate with a mix of Korean, English and hand gestures and in the end actually get the things done. Yes, it might have taken 3 or 4 hours when it could have been done in one, but it was a great learning experience and feeling of accomplishment. It helps to master a new living arrangement in a new country and a new language. Sometimes I think that maybe it would be more of a help, in the long run, to do nothing and let each newbie do these things on their own. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005 Location: Boo-sahn
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:55 am Post subject: |
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What exactly are the e-2 sponsor's obligations/responsibilities? anyone know? |
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