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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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 Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject: Korean hardliners in hot water yet again, to the top |
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http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20120113001002
Prosecutors on Friday asked the court to issue arrest warrant for An Byung-yong, chief of a district-level GNP council, for his suspected involvement in a bribery scheme in the Grand National Party�s leadership election in 2008.
National Assembly Speaker Park Hee-tae won the 2008 race to become the GNP leader.
An, who was a member of Park�s campaign team, is suspected of handing 20 million won ($17,400) to five members of district councils with instructions to bribe 30 GNP officials.
An Byung-yong (Yonhap)
The investigators have uncovered documents that include the names and contact information of those suspected of being bribed.
An denied the documents� link to the bribery scheme, saying that it was used to mark those who were in support of Park.
Speaking at a press conference on Friday, An said that the speaker had not seen the list and that he was not �in a position to give directives.�
An also claimed that he was being �unjustly� accused, and that television reports showing him with Rep. Lee Jae-oh of the GNP was a ploy to remove Lee as a potential presidential candidate, indicating that Rep. Park Geun-hye or those close to her were using him in a wider scheme.
Aside from seeking the arrest of An, the investigators are honing in on the bank records of Rep. Park Hee-tae�s campaign aides.
According to reports, the Seoul Central District Prosecutors� Office investigating the case has begun tracking the bank accounts of those who worked for Park during the campaign, including that of a man identified by the surname Cho. Cho is a former aide to Park, and was in charge of finances during the campaign.
In addition, investigators are looking into the official bank account used in the campaign.
The National Assembly speaker has been accused of bribing GNP lawmakers in the run up to the party�s chairmanship election in 2008. Park won the race and served as the GNP�s chairman until September 2009.
According to allegations made by the GNP�s Rep. Koh Seung-duk, Park attempted to bribe him with 3 million won just days before the vote.
The money was handed to Rep. Koh�s secretary by a man who is suspected of being Park�s former secretary Koh Myung-jin.
Koh, whose home was raided by the prosecutors on Wednesday, has denied that he made the delivery but admitted he received the money when Rep. Koh�s aide returned it.
In addition, investigators have secured the e-mail records of Koh and other officials in charge of funds during the campaign from the National Assembly.
Speaker eludes media, silent on bribery
2012-01-13 21:30
National Assembly Speaker Rep. Park Hee-tae is under fire from all corners as he keeps silent on bribery allegations.
Park has been accused of bribing Grand National Party lawmakers to secure support in the race for party chairmanship in 2008. The allegations, first made by GNP�s Koh Seung-duk, have led to both GNP and opposition lawmakers calling for Park to step down.
Since Park left the country, investigators have made significant progress, having secured a list seemingly connected to the bribery scheme and e-mail records of Park�s former secretary Koh Myung-jin.
Park, however, has not only remained mostly silent on the issue, aside from denying the allegations, but is also avoiding contact with the media on his 11-day tour to meet parliamentary leaders in Japan, Azerbaijan, Sri Lanka and Uzbekistan.
Park left the country on Sunday and is scheduled to return on Wednesday.
While opposition lawmakers have called for the trip to be cut short, Park�s office has maintained that the trip was planned several weeks ago and that canceling appointments would be diplomatically discourteous.
However, Park�s conduct on the tour is fueling criticism.
Although Park is touring the nations in his official capacity as the leader of Korea�s parliament, he has avoided all contact with the media.
Park�s office has chosen not to disclose the details of his schedule in an apparent move to maintain a low profile.
So far, Park has succeeded in remaining elusive to the point that he has hardly been photographed by the Korean media, and photographs that have been released do not show Park meeting with foreign leaders, as local politicians are wont to do on such tours.
By Choi He-suk
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Your bias astounds me.
Do you EVER post about scandals on the Left? |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Three million won in Korea is not a bribe: it's a party favor, a door prize. |
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Fat_Elvis
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: In the ghetto
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Your bias astounds me.
Do you EVER post about scandals on the Left? |
Maybe you should post about some scandals on the left then. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Fat_Elvis wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Your bias astounds me.
Do you EVER post about scandals on the Left? |
Maybe you should post about some scandals on the left then. |
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Like some poster has the right to dictate to someone else what or what not to post 
'Tho anyone who's paying the slightest bit of attention will find there aren't that many scandals concerning the Korean left in the news currently, while there's just one after the other concerning the hardliners, even 'tho right-oriented media far outweighs their counterparts (they've even got their own TV channel now a la FOX).
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| Three million won in Korea is not a bribe: it's a party favor, a door prize. |
True enough, radcon...the 3mill per person is just what the hardliners were caught outright dishing out, indicating a deeper phenomenon, like when they paid substantially larger amounts to mount a cyber attack on the Seoul election website in order to sabotage the Seoul mayor election (they sought to confuse young opposition-oriented voters, who typically use the net), which ended up being won by the opposition candidate in a landslide, anyway.
The significant point about those nice little white packets of 3 mill being strewn about to curry favor is that they lead back to the Speaker of the National Assembly, in other words the LEADER of the hardline party currently in power.
And that, Cap'tn, IS NEWS, MY FRIEND  |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Fat_Elvis wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Your bias astounds me.
Do you EVER post about scandals on the Left? |
Maybe you should post about some scandals on the left then. |
Shhheeeeoooottt...
are we going to clog this forum with every scandal in Korea?
Stout can post all he wants to about the Right, I just think he's absurdly biased in his posts. He's done this time and again on this forum - even going so far as to make things up and presume guilt before there's any proof.
You remember that, right Stout?
Hey, why no posts about how the Liberal Education superintendent gave his competitor 100 or so million won... right after he dropped out from the competition.
No problem there, or are you just bent on posting one side? |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Fat_Elvis wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Your bias astounds me.
Do you EVER post about scandals on the Left? |
Maybe you should post about some scandals on the left then. |
Shhheeeeoooottt...
are we going to clog this forum with every scandal in Korea?
Stout can post all he wants to about the Right, I just think he's absurdly biased in his posts. He's done this time and again on this forum - even going so far as to make things up and presume guilt before there's any proof.
You remember that, right Stout?
Hey, why no posts about how the Liberal Education superintendent gave his competitor 100 or so million won... right after he dropped out from the competition.
No problem there, or are you just bent on posting one side? |
Hey, no need to get emotional about it, Cap'tn 
Like Fat Elvis has pointed out, you want to see the latest dirt here on the opposition, you're free to put it up.
We all know the media is by and large controlled by fair, even-handed multinational corporate people like Rupert Murdoch, so generally you're going to see a bias towards those interests to begin with...unless u want to claim the mass media and their corporate sponsors are truly unbiased
But don't you come on here thinking u can dictate what or how others should post.
U may take your cartoon avatar seriously, but some of us here don't think your role here is to look over people's shoulders and tell them what they ought to or should not do.
Remember, this is a forum, and people are free to go about it the way they choose, so long as they keep a certain amount of respect.
U want to live someplace where certain people can order others around, u can stay in that space, but once u come out into the real world, that weak stuff don't fly with a lot of us.
And yeah, I will say this-
The hardliners in recent times have definitely made this a world where freedom of expression has been compromised, and we all know they rallied for the wonderful situations we've got in Iraq, Afghanistan, et al., which have led to things like the Patriot Act further compromising our basic liberties.
Their policies have also wrecked the world economy, and made things tough and miserable all around.
Those opposing the hardliners aren't perfect, but they haven't imposed odious restrictions and engaged in destructive conflicts anywhere near the scale what the hardliners are responsible for.
Once more- Don't even try suggesting that anyone on here ought to post things that represent a particualr view. Commenting on stuff, sure. If a particular source is questionable, point that out. But rather than whining, if u want to see something, u go ahead and put it up yourself. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
| U want to live someplace where certain people can order others around, u can stay in that space, but once u come out into the real world, that weak stuff don't fly with a lot of us. |
Dave's ESL Cafe is the real world? This is a sad, sad place to live.... |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
But don't you come on here thinking u can dictate what or how others should post.
U may take your cartoon avatar seriously, but some of us here don't think your role here is to look over people's shoulders and tell them what they ought to or should not do.
Remember, this is a forum, and people are free to go about it the way they choose, so long as they keep a certain amount of respect. |
So... I can't tell you what to post... yet you can tell me what to post?
How does that make any sense?
You post something - I call you on your bias.
Seems simple enough to me.
Perhaps it's you who wants to rule this place with the iron fist. lol |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Hey, why no posts about how the Liberal Education superintendent gave his competitor 100 or so million won... right after he dropped out from the competition.
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Missed that one. Links anyone? |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| Stout wrote: |
But don't you come on here thinking u can dictate what or how others should post.
U may take your cartoon avatar seriously, |
A cartoon is quite appropriate in this case.
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| but some of us here don't think your role here is to look over people's shoulders and tell them what they ought to or should not do. |
Don't mind that. The self-appointed owner and moral arbiter here does it all the time.
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| Remember, this is a forum, and people are free to go about it the way they choose, so long as they keep a certain amount of respect. |
Apparently, not all here are able to do that. (You know who you are!  )
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| Once more- Don't even try suggesting that anyone on here ought to post things that represent a particualr view. Commenting on stuff, sure. If a particular source is questionable, point that out. But rather than whining, if u want to see something, u go ahead and put it up yourself. |
Unfortunately, some here feel prefer to post whatever idea or opinion pops into their minds and will seriously argue that it is comparable to documented historical or scientific fact! |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Hey, why no posts about how the Liberal Education superintendent gave his competitor 100 or so million won... right after he dropped out from the competition.
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Missed that one. Links anyone? |
Superintendent Kwak is indicted |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Hey, why no posts about how the Liberal Education superintendent gave his competitor 100 or so million won... right after he dropped out from the competition.
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Missed that one. Links anyone? |
Superintendent Kwak is indicted |
Ah, SMOE...that makes sense.
Haven't there been several incidents like that there? The way they shift management positions around so often, you've got to wonder about the palm greasing/favors going on.
I like this part:
"The indicted superintendent insisted he gave the money earlier this year as a gesture of �goodwill� for the rival candidate..."
I don't think bribery is a right or left issue. Seems pretty ingrained as a systemic problem. |
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Fat_Elvis
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: In the ghetto
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| No doubt bribery is an ingrained problem in Korea, but the number of scandals involving the current administration seems to go above and beyond the call of duty. So much so that to compare scandals on the left and right seems a false equivalence. So far, we've got a corrupt superintendent at SMOE on the left and that's it at the moment, unless Captain Corea can find some more. Another reason I believe it's a false equivalence is because I think the ruling party/administration, as they are in power, should be held to higher standards. |
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detonate
Joined: 16 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| That money is basically nothing, why bother? |
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