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swinewho
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GreatUnderachiever
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Trash talk from a trash paper.
Not worth reading, mate. |
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andrewchon
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Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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What is 'functionally illiterate' as opposed to just 'illiterate' anyway?
If that means can speak great but can't read then start equipping mobile phones with OCR+text to speech. It's language aquisition, not language learning.
BTW The Sun is a great paper that makes many people readers for one reason only. |
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swinewho
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Every newspaper is worth reading in some form or another - It is only by reading all possible infomation about something that you can come to an informed decision about something.
The sun, although diminishing in importance to me, now that i'm older (and have better access to porn) still holds a special place in my heart!
Another world changing article here:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4226438/Osama-Bin-Laydee.html |
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fosterman
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I can't believe that.
maybe they are judging those figures mostly on immigrants?
and 50% of Italians can't read or write? hahahahaha come on.
any human who went to school in the last 20 years , even if you just went till you were 13, you can read and write. come on. what they wen't through school and never learned phonics? I understand these numbers might of been true 70 years ago after world war 2, extreme poverty in rural areas, but seriously. half of Italy? 20% of England, New Zealand, Australia, swiss?
naaa I am not buying this report. sounds like pure garbage. |
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jinks
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Location: Formerly: Lower North Island
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any human who went to school in the last 20 years , even if you just went till you were 13, you can read and write. come on. |
I used to be an adult literacy tutor (in New Zealand). One guy I helped held down a job and raised a family, but he couldn't read or write - and his mum was a liberal arts professor! Another person was a real nice woman who loved her sport, had a job in an office (!) and wanted to join the police. Her literacy levels were such that she could fill in a form (name, address etc.), but she did not have a chance in hell of understanding the SAT type questions in the police literacy exam. Another woman was studying at university, she was over 25 so I think she got in as a fee paying student. She could talk the talk, but she couldn't even begin to read an academic article, let alone write a response.
New Zealand used to lead the way in teaching reading in school. Even in our literacy heyday there were people who slipped through the cracks. God help us now, with even higher numbers of pupils showing up at school on the first day having never even SEEN a pencil or a book in their life.
I know it is unbelievable for those of us who come from literacy-focused families, and who took to reading and writing like ducks to water, but it is a sad fact that more and more people can get through school without learning to read or write. A lot of people with low literacy skills learn a lot of strategies to cover up their inability to read and write, they also develop compensatory skills that help get the job done.
Illiteracy (or, pre-literacy, as people in the 'trade' call it) is alive and well, unfortunately. |
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bigverne
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Trash talk from a trash paper.
Not worth reading, mate. |
Head in the sand. |
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joelove
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| There was something I believe I heard on the radio once, though it was a good 20 years ago and details are foggy now, about illiteracy in Newfoundland being applicable to over a third of the population. I'm pretty sure I doubted that quite strongly, though one wonders still how many adults comprehend a newspaper. At some point I also took some sort of workshop, I think it was, about illiteracy, as an aim to volunteer tutor some adults with basic reading or even math. And I did meet a few adults with next to zero reading or inability to grasp something like "x - 5 = 0. What is x?' I'm not sure if they somehow finished high school. One guy had a good job working construction or whatever, then got injured and was put in an office and was suddenly screwed knowing not much more than the alphabet. Pride had kept like that well past his 30th birthday. Surprising how quickly he did learn to read simple words after some phonics instructions, just matching sounds with consonants and blends, short and long vowels and all that. Really just a few hours of pointing things out to him changed his world, I'd say. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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any human who went to school in the last 20 years , even if you just went till you were 13, you can read and write. come on. |
I used to be an adult literacy tutor (in New Zealand). One guy I helped held down a job and raised a family, but he couldn't read or write - and his mum was a liberal arts professor! Another person was a real nice woman who loved her sport, had a job in an office (!) and wanted to join the police. Her literacy levels were such that she could fill in a form (name, address etc.), but she did not have a chance in hell of understanding the SAT type questions in the police literacy exam. Another woman was studying at university, she was over 25 so I think she got in as a fee paying student. She could talk the talk, but she couldn't even begin to read an academic article, let alone write a response.
New Zealand used to lead the way in teaching reading in school. Even in our literacy heyday there were people who slipped through the cracks. God help us now, with even higher numbers of pupils showing up at school on the first day having never even SEEN a pencil or a book in their life.
I know it is unbelievable for those of us who come from literacy-focused families, and who took to reading and writing like ducks to water, but it is a sad fact that more and more people can get through school without learning to read or write. A lot of people with low literacy skills learn a lot of strategies to cover up their inability to read and write, they also develop compensatory skills that help get the job done.
Illiteracy (or, pre-literacy, as people in the 'trade' call it) is alive and well, unfortunately. |
were they native maori people? welfare folk, broken homes? retarded or maybe dyslexic ? I just can't understand how someone never learned to read or write, slipped through the cracks ok.. I get it.
but 18% of the 4 million population? NOWAY |
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joelove
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but 18% of the 4 million population? NOWAY |
Did you not see my post just above about over 33% in Newfoundland, 20 years ago? I'm not sure what the criteria are for functional literacy, but 18 doesn't sound so high any more come to think of it. Perhaps this included a lot of older folks in remoter or poorer places who never had much schooling chances. I don't know. I doubt the number have improved much really, some perhaps.
Here's something: http://www.literacynl.com/literacy/ |
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fermentation
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| fosterman wrote: |
were they native maori people? welfare folk, broken homes? retarded or maybe dyslexic ? I just can't understand how someone never learned to read or write, slipped through the cracks ok.. I get it.
but 18% of the 4 million population? NOWAY |
Its hard for me to believe too. I don't think I even know a guy through a guy who doesn't know how to read. But I did see this documentary that showed an innercity kid who was getting As in school despite being illiterate. Apparently that's how shitty the American school system is. |
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Julius
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It does not surprise me if the UK has a large and growing rate of illiteracy.
The UK took the lowest class of society, gave them loads of free money for decades and caused them to proliferate off the scale. |
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