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anyone teaching subjects other than E at a uni ?
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luckylady



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:36 am    Post subject: anyone teaching subjects other than E at a uni ? Reply with quote

Chronicle of Edu often posts core and other subjects positions at Korean Unis - is anyone here teaching something other than English at a Korean uni?

I do know there was a mandate that all Korean unis would be all-English all-the-time by 2015 or something like that - any word on how that's going?
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thrylos



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have a few foreigners teaching 'content' classes at our uni-- They all have PhD's in their field. Only exception are folks in the Business/Advertising/Marketing depts. They have MBA's with relevant experience.

Once and a while, we are asked to teach English Lit classes-- Pronunciation, Drama, Debate etc. Much more trouble than they're worth, compared to the regular 'conversation' classes IMHO.

As far as being 'English only', that's a pipe dream, at least where I am. The profs all complain they end up teaching ESL, no matter what they're supposed to be doing.
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YTMND



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sorry, I can't read any posts on this thread. thrylos' member picture is distracting me Shocked

[EDIT: Ok, I put my left hand over it, now I can read and type with my right hand.]

I think they might have business classes, but I find it hard to believe unis will be all in English.
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luckylady



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
I am sorry, I can't read any posts on this thread. thrylos' member picture is distracting me Shocked

[EDIT: Ok, I put my left hand over it, now I can read and type with my right hand.]

I think they might have business classes, but I find it hard to believe unis will be all in English.


great. I could ignore it until you mentioned it, then I had to stare at it a while...


I had a friend grad in 2008 with a phd in geology at a uni in Korea (don't recall which one) her classes were in English. I think the grad level courses will be first, before the undergrad ones.

Korea has stated for some time this is their goal in order to be more competitive globally. right now I don't think any Korean uni (even SNU) is recognized internationally because of the lack of English communication.

also profs have to publish in English-language journals to be recognized, which also limits the uni where the research is being done if it's not published in an intl journal.
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YTMND



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

luckylady wrote:
YTMND wrote:
I am sorry, I can't read any posts on this thread. thrylos' member picture is distracting me Shocked

[EDIT: Ok, I put my left hand over it, now I can read and type with my right hand.]

I think they might have business classes, but I find it hard to believe unis will be all in English.


great. I could ignore it until you mentioned it, then I had to stare at it a while...


I had a friend grad in 2008 with a phd in geology at a uni in Korea (don't recall which one) her classes were in English. I think the grad level courses will be first, before the undergrad ones.

Korea has stated for some time this is their goal in order to be more competitive globally. right now I don't think any Korean uni (even SNU) is recognized internationally because of the lack of English communication.

also profs have to publish in English-language journals to be recognized, which also limits the uni where the research is being done if it's not published in an intl journal.


Again, this all depends on what the student is studying. I highly doubt doctors will have to speak English if the main goal is to treat Korean patients. Add researchers to that list.

This is probably a specific area of study pertaining to business and similar areas where a command of the English language is necessary. Koreans come to study in China because it is cheaper, but they go back to Korea to take the English tests because they are easier in Korea.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have some foreign teachers teaching business courses, and now fashion, to name a few. These are not English courses... merely taught in English. We will be teaching camps this summer involving multiple disciplines that are content-related, and taught by all levels of us here. Some of the Korean professors in other disciplines, from Engineering to Computer-related, to Fashion, are also teaching in English now, and I hear the students aren't particularly thrilled with it.
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hogwonguy1979



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we have several teachers teaching content courses at my univ. Most have a PhD but a couple have MA's in their field.

There has been a huge push lately for more content courses in English. In fact some schools require students take at least one course in their major to be entirely in English. Thats causing a sh*tstorm amongst the students as 1) their English level isnt good enough to handle it or 2) The Korea profs doing it English is so bad nobody understands it
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luckylady



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

would that be mostly undergrad, grad or both?
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luckylady



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:

I highly doubt doctors will have to speak English if the main goal is to treat Korean patients. Add researchers to that list.


well, either you aren't familiar with research or ... ,

as I mentioned, the emphasis on research is to publish in a globally-respected journal, which means in English. both myself and other teachers have edited Korean researchers' work in order for it to be published and this is standard. Departments all push for publication, same in the West, in order to do so it needs to be in English. Japan has been publishing in Western journals for some time now, in fact, a lot of Japanese research is innovative and duplicated by the West.

as for drs, yes, they need English so as to understand new medicines, breakthroughs, treatments, etc. at the very least to be able to read it, not necessarily speak like Anthony Hopkins

maybe these folks who are teaching content-based subjects in English aren't on Dave's ? if anyone has a clue as to where they are, please do pm me.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

luckylady wrote:
would that be mostly undergrad, grad or both?


Wouldn't common sense prevail here? They are not going to expect nurses in schools to perform surgery.

Each job has its own requirements. If you are going to work overseas, plan on taking some courses in English only. If you are going to work more domestically, not in a major city, then putting 2 and 2 together you would advance in your field faster if you didn't learn English since you wouldn't need it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach law content courses and am a member of the Law Department at my university (I was initially recruited in the English Department). I do teach a conversation class as well.

I have a law degree but no PHD or MA (in law).
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luckylady



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
luckylady wrote:
would that be mostly undergrad, grad or both?


Wouldn't common sense prevail here? They are not going to expect nurses in schools to perform surgery.

Each job has its own requirements. If you are going to work overseas, plan on taking some courses in English only. If you are going to work more domestically, not in a major city, then putting 2 and 2 together you would advance in your field faster if you didn't learn English since you wouldn't need it.


I'm not really sure what your point is - Korea has set the mandate, not me, ok? this thread is asking about profs at unis who teach content based subjects in English.

maybe if you want to debate whether or not there is a need for it, you can start another thread. in fact, please do so. I'd really like to keep this one on track, if you don't mind.

thank you.
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luckylady



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jimskins wrote:
I teach law content courses and am a member of the Law Department at my university (I was initially recruited in the English Department). I do teach a conversation class as well.

I have a law degree but no PHD or MA (in law).


thanks for responding Jimskins - can I ask how long you've been teaching this law class? and how has it been with the students? are they getting along ok with the English ?

and what sort of collaboration with the dept do you have as far as grading and test creation?

anything else you'd like to add please do so -
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Korea has set the mandate, not me, ok? this thread is asking about profs at unis who teach content based subjects in English.


Well, spoken would be the only logical need for a native English speaker. You brought up things like writing in a journal which might be necessary, but that definitely doesn't require hearing a native English speaker.

It's a mandate, really? I think you need to take a step back. What you are looking at is not a nationwide requirement of all schools. If a person wants to study something where English speaking was necessary, then there is a greater chance they will need to take courses in English. To me, this is quite obvious and that would spell where to go. You already have 2 fields of interest, Law and Medicine. Why not find out schools that hire English speakers for these two fields, as well as Business?

The typical poster on here teaches conversational English where the level of English is fairly low. I doubt there is a mandate across the board.
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I'd really like to keep this one on track, if you don't mind.


Me too. I am curious what SPECIALIZED schools or programs would need an English class as you have outlined. I'll leave it at that.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

at my univ and at Kodae where some friends teach, I know for a fact that undergrads are being required to take at least one course in their majors thats entirely in English.

They are not happy about it to say the least, there have been protests on campuses about it and the student newspapers are griping about it. Their biggest concerns (and rightly so IMHO) are like I said before 1) Their English isn't good enough to handle even the textbooks let alone a lecture in an upper level course if its being taught by a foreigner and 2) If they get a Korean prof for the course, his/hers English is so bad they cant understand what is being said. At least they aren't grading these course on the mandatory curve most of us deal with because of the fallout of what happened at KAIST last fall with all the suicides.

Right now the idea is a total waste of time the students are stressed out and aren't learning squat, it needs to be thought out more.

TBPH, I'd say maybe 1 in 10 of the students I've seen at the freshmen level could handle it and thats a reach and I'm at a decent level school.
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