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Jorj
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 Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:30 am Post subject: Airfare when renewing contract |
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I'll be finishing my contract with a hagwon soon, and will be signing up for another year at the same school (if all goes well).
What is the rule regarding airfare if I extend the contract with the same school?
Does the school still have to give me a ticket or cash? My contract actually specifies that I get the cash equivalent of a ticket to my home country.
Anyway, I talked to the manager of the school about getting cash for the ticket and they didn't know what I was talking about. The manager is going to check up on it and get back to me tomorrow. I'd honestly like to know what the laws say about this so I don't feel like an idiot asking for something I shouldn't be getting. |
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Wildbore
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:31 am Post subject: Re: Airfare when renewing contract |
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I'll be finishing my contract with a hagwon soon, and will be signing up for another year at the same school (if all goes well).
What is the rule regarding airfare if I extend the contract with the same school?
Does the school still have to give me a ticket or cash? My contract actually specifies that I get the cash equivalent of a ticket to my home country.
Anyway, I talked to the manager of the school about getting cash for the ticket and they didn't know what I was talking about. The manager is going to check up on it and get back to me tomorrow. I'd honestly like to know what the laws say about this so I don't feel like an idiot asking for something I shouldn't be getting. |
There are no laws regarding airfare. It is contractual.
If your contract says you get cash then you get cash. Very simple. |
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Dodge7
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Airfare when renewing contract |
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| Jorj wrote: |
I'll be finishing my contract with a hagwon soon, and will be signing up for another year at the same school (if all goes well).
What is the rule regarding airfare if I extend the contract with the same school?
Does the school still have to give me a ticket or cash? My contract actually specifies that I get the cash equivalent of a ticket to my home country.
Anyway, I talked to the manager of the school about getting cash for the ticket and they didn't know what I was talking about. The manager is going to check up on it and get back to me tomorrow. I'd honestly like to know what the laws say about this so I don't feel like an idiot asking for something I shouldn't be getting. |
There are no laws regarding airfare. It is contractual.
If your contract says you get cash then you get cash. Very simple. |
Wait a minute, OP are you saying that you are going to sign for another year AND stay in Korea AND want the airfare money that you wont use? LOL. You won't get paid airfare money if you are not going home.
At the very end they will give it to you. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Airfare when renewing contract |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
| Wildbore wrote: |
| Jorj wrote: |
I'll be finishing my contract with a hagwon soon, and will be signing up for another year at the same school (if all goes well).
What is the rule regarding airfare if I extend the contract with the same school?
Does the school still have to give me a ticket or cash? My contract actually specifies that I get the cash equivalent of a ticket to my home country.
Anyway, I talked to the manager of the school about getting cash for the ticket and they didn't know what I was talking about. The manager is going to check up on it and get back to me tomorrow. I'd honestly like to know what the laws say about this so I don't feel like an idiot asking for something I shouldn't be getting. |
There are no laws regarding airfare. It is contractual.
If your contract says you get cash then you get cash. Very simple. |
Wait a minute, OP are you saying that you are going to sign for another year AND stay in Korea AND want the airfare money that you wont use? LOL. You won't get paid airfare money if you are not going home.
At the very end they will give it to you. |
Not true. I know a guy who negotiated a 300,000 raise for his second contract and got a flight home and back between contracts. |
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Jorj
Joined: 18 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:06 am Post subject: |
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That's what I was saying. Of course I want the money if that's the way it works. If not, then fine.
The contract says that when the contract is completed I get a bonus, and cash for airfare. I assumed that I get that for each contract that I complete.
What if I quit part-way through the next contract? How can I be sure that the school would honor the completion of the first contract and give me airfare? They could simply say that I failed to complete the current contract.
Anyway, maybe I'm being too greedy. I'd like to know what experiences other people have had about this. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Airfare when renewing contract |
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| Jorj wrote: |
I'll be finishing my contract with a hagwon soon, and will be signing up for another year at the same school (if all goes well).
What is the rule regarding airfare if I extend the contract with the same school?
Does the school still have to give me a ticket or cash? My contract actually specifies that I get the cash equivalent of a ticket to my home country.
Anyway, I talked to the manager of the school about getting cash for the ticket and they didn't know what I was talking about. The manager is going to check up on it and get back to me tomorrow. I'd honestly like to know what the laws say about this so I don't feel like an idiot asking for something I shouldn't be getting. |
There is no law or rule regarding airfare, it's a matter of negotiation.
Here's what you will get from a good school, and you should try to get:
1) You should have a clause with an amount and date certain for payment of all final amounts from your first year for pay, overtime etc.
2) An increase in your monthly base pay - at least 100,000 won minimum, depending on what else you get.
3) An increase in your hourly overtime rate.
4) You should include a clause in your renewal contract that guarantees cash for your airfare for completing the first contract and you should get two more one-way tickets.
Essentially, a new teacher requires a ticket every six months, coming and going, so a renewal teacher should expect the same. These should be paid in cash if you don't actually use the ticket. You may want to include a cash amount instead of just a promise for airfare. You should include a date certain for payment of these amounts.
If you don't get airfare, these amounts are worth 100K to 200K won per month additional increase in base pay.
5) You should get your severance for the first year in cash right away - it's too risky to wait until the end of a second year for two months of severance, even a good school can get into financial trouble in twelve months. Put the amount and a date certain for payment in the renewal contract.
6) You should include a clause that guarantees prorata payments for severance if you don't finish the second year. |
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Hokie21
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:16 am Post subject: |
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isitts
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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That's what I was saying. Of course I want the money if that's the way it works. If not, then fine.
The contract says that when the contract is completed I get a bonus, and cash for airfare. I assumed that I get that for each contract that I complete.
What if I quit part-way through the next contract? How can I be sure that the school would honor the completion of the first contract and give me airfare? They could simply say that I failed to complete the current contract.
Anyway, maybe I'm being too greedy. I'd like to know what experiences other people have had about this. |
Jorj, are you staying with the same school or starting at a new school?
If you are staying with the same school, then check your contract. I don't know about hagwons, but public schools do reimburse you for a round-trip ticket home or the cash equivalent if you don't go home. If you are not renewing AND you are leaving the country, they'll reimburse or purchase your one-way ticket home.
But if you are changing schools and staying IN the country then neither the school you're leaving nor the new school owe you a ticket or the cash equivalent. |
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luckylady
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:52 am Post subject: |
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But if you are changing schools and staying IN the country then neither the school you're leaving nor the new school owe you a ticket or the cash equivalent. |
that's total B.S. if it's in his contract, then it's owed. very simple. |
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Troglodyte
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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But if you are changing schools and staying IN the country then neither the school you're leaving nor the new school owe you a ticket or the cash equivalent. |
that's total B.S. if it's in his contract, then it's owed. very simple. |
Absolutely! If it's in your contract, the school owes it to you.
Exactly what does your current contract says about airfare? Does it say that after the first year you'll get a return ticket? Does it say that you'll get a return ticket or monetary equivalent? Does it specifically say that you won't get a return ticket if you stay in Korea? (I've seen some contracts that slip in that last one.) |
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Jorj
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Exactly what does your current contract says about airfare? |
About the airfare, my contract says, "After completion of the contract the teacher will be provided with the cash equivalent of return tickets to the closest international airport to his original residence."
There is nothing about what happens if I renew the contract at this school or stay in Korea with a different school. |
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isitts
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
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But if you are changing schools and staying IN the country then neither the school you're leaving nor the new school owe you a ticket or the cash equivalent. |
that's total B.S. if it's in his contract, then it's owed. very simple. |
My contract specified that I had to leave the country within 10 days to get airfare (if I was not renewing). So no, in my case it's not BS. But it depends on what the OP's contract says. |
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luckylady
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| isitts wrote: |
| luckylady wrote: |
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But if you are changing schools and staying IN the country then neither the school you're leaving nor the new school owe you a ticket or the cash equivalent. |
that's total B.S. if it's in his contract, then it's owed. very simple. |
My contract specified that I had to leave the country within 10 days to get airfare (if I was not renewing). So no, in my case it's not BS. But it depends on what the OP's contract says. |
as stated, HIS contract not YOUR contract, so cut the BS already. |
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luckylady
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| Exactly what does your current contract says about airfare? |
About the airfare, my contract says, "After completion of the contract the teacher will be provided with the cash equivalent of return tickets to the closest international airport to his original residence."
There is nothing about what happens if I renew the contract at this school or stay in Korea with a different school. |
that's because the only thing that is relevant is that you complete the contract, period.
this is a very common clause, btw. airfares change frequently and it's sometimes easier to just do a "wait and see" on the prices and pay on the end of the contract, no big deal.
stop by any travel agency, ask for a printout of a price fare for your school, 1 way from Seoul to your home city. make a copy for yourself and give the original to your school, very easy, 'k? |
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YTMND
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| There is nothing about what happens if I renew the contract at this school or stay in Korea with a different school. |
The intent is to provide transportation for that year. They don't take into account additional years. So, obviously, a school is not going to want to give you money if you continue or go to another school.
I am not saying you can't fight for it, and I am not saying you can't use the contract to enforce it. However, I feel a letter of release and good recommendation make up for it if I want to stay in the country. I have never requested airfare unless it was specifically for the purpose of getting my visa straightened out or if and when I leave the country after giving the school a full year.
This is your decision in the end to pursue it or let it carry over to the second year.
Now there is one sticky detail and that has to do with them giving you money if you plan on doing a second year. If you don't finish 6 months, schools often want airfare back (I think it's just for one flight). This is what you would have paid if you were a new teacher and left before half of your first year. Again, there is nothing specific in the contract to enforce this usually, but it's definitely an argument a school might use to justify not paying you if you decide to leave.
Maybe you could make a deal to pay for the flight back and be reimbursed. This way they are only paying you for the same as if you left the school. Others may want to collect that airfare upon arrival. I would ask for something like 25%, 35%, 40% (every 2 months until you get to 6 months). That way, you aren't gambling before the 6th months, and the school won't feel cheated if you get up and leave before the 18 months with them. |
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