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bbud656



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:18 am    Post subject: Difference in utility bills Reply with quote

The last two months Ive had some pretty high bills. I had one reach 350 last month. Thats almost as much as I was paying a month with rent and utility bills in college. Anyway, It went down to 250 this month which is still a lot higher than I want to pay. I only really run my heater when my gf stays over, once a week, so It cant be that. Im in an officetel so I know they do some sharing thing, but the strange thing is, I took a quick look at some of my neighbors bills and in some cases mine were 3x higher. The second highest bill I saw was 150 (the bills are just kind hanging out of the mailboxes, so I could see them pretty openly) Almost all of the floor plans are the same. I cant think of a reason for such a huge difference in what I am paying vs what other people in my building pay. Anyone experience this?
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Soldier



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:51 am    Post subject: Possibly Something Wrong Reply with quote

When I first worked in Seoul, I paid 250 000- 300 000 Won for an electric bill. I lived in a very tiny apartment and was very conservative with energy use. I can't say for sure, but I suspect that you may be paying a bit much for a utility bill, especially a bachelor apt (officetel.) This can't be much of an apt to heat, esp that way you use energy.

I reccomend going to your goto guy/gal at your school and try to work thru this issue. You may be paying too much, or you may be doing something wrong with the way you comsume energy. One question: You heat up your apt once a week...so, could it cost more money to heat it than to maintain the same higher temp of the apt for whole week?

Think of physics, Newtons Laws. It takes much more energy to push an object that is at rest than it takes to keep pushing the same while in motion. Perhaps the same can be said for heating an apt.
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bbud656



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a 200 dollar bill while i was on vacation for a month with my heater turned completely off. They couldnt very well explain that. Ive heard people say its cheaper just to leave it around 20 degrees all the time or something. I usually left it at like 14 or 15. I just dont see how turning it up for a few hours before bed once a week could net me a bill 3x higher than people who have warm floors all day. Those heat mat things cant be that efficient.
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Soldier



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:54 am    Post subject: Facts Reply with quote

I don't know all the facts for utility bills in general wherever you live. It seems to make sense to keep the tem at 20C. As to the once a week to heat the apt to a cozy temp, it may or may not be a factor. I would get someone at the school to help you get the bill examined. It seems a little high, but not bad.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:40 am    Post subject: Re: Difference in utility bills Reply with quote

bbud656 wrote:
The last two months Ive had some pretty high bills. I had one reach 350 last month. Thats almost as much as I was paying a month with rent and utility bills in college. Anyway, It went down to 250 this month which is still a lot higher than I want to pay. I only really run my heater when my gf stays over, once a week, so It cant be that. Im in an officetel so I know they do some sharing thing, but the strange thing is, I took a quick look at some of my neighbors bills and in some cases mine were 3x higher. The second highest bill I saw was 150 (the bills are just kind hanging out of the mailboxes, so I could see them pretty openly) Almost all of the floor plans are the same. I cant think of a reason for such a huge difference in what I am paying vs what other people in my building pay. Anyone experience this?



In Korea electric usage is discouraged by increasing the electric rate as your use increases. Residences are expected to use natural gas for heating and cooking, although older houses tend to rely on more expensive oil heat.

Businesses and other qualifying organizations are allowed to pay a special tax and convert to a higher electric usage at lower rates because gas isn't always the best option for businesses and because their use is expected to be higher. They have lower rates and a higher cap before the penalty rates set in.

Your problem is that you live in an officetel.

Officetels were originally designed and zoned for business use - small offices or business spaces. They quickly became a popular but not-quite-legal form of housing. (Some teachers have reported on Dave's that they had trouble because they couldn't use an officetel address as a legal residence for some purposes. Many individuals - Korean and foreign just stay registered at some other legal address they used prior to moving to the officetel.)

So, officetels had qualified for the cheaper electric rates for businesses and other qualifying organizations.

Recently it has been reported that officetels being used for housing have had their business status revoked. As a result, the residents of these units are paying far higher electric rates for the high use required for electric heat.

The lower bills you have seen for other units could reflect individuals who managed to switch to some cheaper form of heating instead of electric, or just went without heat for the most part, or perhaps they are actually businesses or managed to qualify as businesses or other qualifying organization and didn't lose their cheaper rates.
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Soldier



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:46 am    Post subject: Changes over the Years Reply with quote

Well, you learn something new everyday, explains the rates for a teacher living in an officetel. I will avoid them in that case, assuming all the other forms of accomodation are better.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: Changes over the Years Reply with quote

Soldier wrote:
Well, you learn something new everyday, explains the rates for a teacher living in an officetel. I will avoid them in that case, assuming all the other forms of accomodation are better.



Your best option is to find housing with natural gas for heating and cooking. Oil heat can also be costly and electricty is expensive for heating in any form of housing.
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Soldier



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:02 am    Post subject: Great! Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice, that is very helpful for my return to Korea. I am in the process of selecting a school.

Cheers.
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Skippy



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also I have found that the apartment and maintenance fees for officetels can be up to 3 times more then regular one room and villa residences.

I have paid typical 30k and a bit more per month for my one room. Some comments on here some people say upwards of 100k for officetels, which is not including gas or electricity. 100k for lackluster security which includes a surly most of the time sleeping Korean adjoshi. Clean hallways which constitutes running a oily old damp mop over the floor once or twice a month. Working light in the hallways, well every third or fourth socket.
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Soldier



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:48 am    Post subject: Cool... Reply with quote

Thanks you for this cool tip, it too is very helpful.

Cheers!
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bbud656



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the bright side, officetels are usually nicer/newer. They have real wood floors instead of that laminate stuff. They are usually located in convenient places like near train stations, by restaurants, many have food in the building. There is someone to take your big packages. I didnt choose this place, but it is the third place ive lived in Korea and I would rather live in my one room officetel than my 3 bedroom apartment.

Got the bill checked out. My water bill was 80 bucks. I have no qualms about paying that since I should be conserving water better.
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Soldier



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:17 am    Post subject: Update Reply with quote

Well, that's good to know as well. Yes, convienence and quality are good. Glad to see you got your water bill checked out. It's easy to use alot of water, I am just as much of a water hog, especially taking a shower for 15-20 minutes at times.

Cheers!
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Swampfox10mm



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bbud656 wrote:
On the bright side, officetels are usually nicer/newer. They have real wood floors instead of that laminate stuff.


Give me the vinyl cheap stuff any day of the week.

We currently live in a special boutique Hillstate building, which is damn pricey compared to even some other branded apartments. Koreans ooh and ahh over it. Our last place was a Ramien. The floors in both are that cheap laminate crap that will poke a hole if you drop your keys on it. The stuff is pure garbage, and made to be replaced at a far higher cost than the vinyl stuff. We actually have pads all over our floors because after one month, our daughter had dented up parts so easily just by dropping toys while playing. I used a steam cleaner for a few weeks until I noticed the laminate was curling at the edges in some spots.

The real wood floors you speak of are something an owner must pay a very high fee for and have installed specially by a flooring company. My wife's uncle has them and they paid a mint ten years ago. Very few places have this, as it costs millions of won extra to do it. Teacher apartments are not going to have this, unless you move into some villa that had them installed far cheaper long ago.

Newer villas will have the cheap laminate, which is almost paper-thin these days.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:36 am    Post subject: Re: Difference in utility bills Reply with quote

bbud656 wrote:
The last two months Ive had some pretty high bills. I had one reach 350 last month. Thats almost as much as I was paying a month with rent and utility bills in college. Anyway, It went down to 250 this month which is still a lot higher than I want to pay. I only really run my heater when my gf stays over, once a week, so It cant be that. Im in an officetel so I know they do some sharing thing, but the strange thing is, I took a quick look at some of my neighbors bills and in some cases mine were 3x higher. The second highest bill I saw was 150 (the bills are just kind hanging out of the mailboxes, so I could see them pretty openly) Almost all of the floor plans are the same. I cant think of a reason for such a huge difference in what I am paying vs what other people in my building pay. Anyone experience this?


I know a teacher's whose apartment manager was sneaking into his apartment and using his phone to make international phone calls, etc. This increased the bills quite a bit. Luckily he had a locksmith friend who changed the locks. Then suddenly the bills went back to normal.

I don't know if this is your issue or not but it is something to consider.
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abigolblackman



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll tell you what's happening. They are taking the average of the whole floor and dividing the total among everyone on your floor.

I don't know the size of your spot, but if it's bigger than other residents on your floor, they are unfairly charging you more because they assume that since your place is bigger, you are using more energy, whether you really are or not.

This happened to me my first year and my school didn't help me out even though they admitted it sucked for me. I froze that winter not using any heat at all while other residents roasted it up. Every month they complained that the foreigner (me) was using so much heat cause I was from California and liked warm weather. The manager believed them and I always had to pay at least 50% more for the utility bills. Those bastards sucked up the heat and I literally froze.

I moved out immediately.

I have a much bigger place now and pay less than 50,000 won for everything!
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