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eventually
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:59 pm Post subject: how difficult is it to be a vegetarian in South Korea? |
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how difficult is it to find or cook foods that are not meat-based? do they have any sort of vegetarian or vegan selection? i'm about to go over, and i don't eat meat at all (not even fish) and i tend to try to stick to organic and natural products. |
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Modernist
Joined: 23 Mar 2011 Location: The 90s
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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It's not easy at all. I'm not either V or hard-V myself but I know people who are trying to do it over here and it's not a simple thing. Especially avoiding seafood. You CAN manage it but the ease really depends on where you are located. In the biggest cities is one thing, out in rural areas it might be close to impossible. And you'll probably need to learn Korean for 'does this have meat?' since restaurants aren't usually used to answering that question.
As to 'organic' stuff that's also challenging. I don't think there's a uniform labeling thing like USA Organic or whatever for packaged foods, and as far as produce goes if you're smart you're buying it from the wholesale guys with the trucks and boxes--there's basically zero English from them and I'm not sure they'd even know if their stuff is organic if you asked them in Korean. You may have to live with uncertainty in your strawberries and tangerines. |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to avoid eating even small amount of meat or seafood, it's basically impossible unless you cook everything yourself. If you only want to avoid actual pieces of meat, it wont be too hard. You have to remember that even products such as "Salt Flavoured Potato Chips" include shrimp extract and most mixed sauces will include some kind of animal product. |
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soomin
Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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I was a vegan for a year in Korea~ it is... quite difficult unless you're willing to just prepare everything at home and forego restaurants.
Kimbap (no egg, ham, or crab) and Bibimbap (no egg) was what I ate when I was too lazy to fix a meal...
There is also a chain of restaurants (all over the world, actually) called "Loving Hut" that is vegan ^.^ The food is expensive and not that great, imho... but, again, it's vegan. (go here for locations and such in english ^.^ http://www.lovinghut.kr/kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=restaurants_kr_en&wr_id=&sca=Daegu&county=&lang=_en)
If you're a vegan (no meat broths, no eggs, no dairy), then be prepared for a hard row to hoe... Trust no soups, and don't really trust restaurant ajummas... they'll put meat in there even when you tell them not to, "because it's healthy" and they'll "feel bad if they don't"... they'll also tell you "it won't be delicious" if you request no eggs or such... persist and even lie if you have to... say you have a meat allergy.
You can also go to Buddhist temples... they have vegan foods there~ one of my vegan friends went there all the time for the food! lolol
Also, the word for vegetarian is chae-shik-chu-ui-cha" 채식주의자"~ and if you want them to take out a certain ingredient... just list its name and "bbae-go" (빼고), which means "except"~ so... for a vegan kimbap~~
김밥 한줄 주서요... 그런데, 해므와, 치즈과 맛살 빼고 (주세요). Kimbap han jool ju-sey-yo... geureonde, hamoo wah chee-ju kwa mat-sal bbae-go (ju-se-yo)) (One kimbap (roll) please, but, without ham, cheese and fake crab meat, (please)).
You can always point to the ingredients for kimbap (since they make it in front of you) and make an x-shape with your arms if all else fails (which sometimes, it will, LOL) ^.^;;
Also, don't just say "no meat," because here, many meats (especially fish and shellfish) are not considered meat and will end up on your plate.
Good luck!!!! You can do it, and it's not impossible... but it will be a strain, especially when dining with friends... |
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soomin
Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Modernist wrote: |
As to 'organic' stuff that's also challenging. I don't think there's a uniform labeling thing like USA Organic or whatever for packaged foods. |
Organic foods are actually a bit en vogue these days~~ look for the word "유기농" (yoo-gee-nong) in bigger stores (especially EMart) there will also be organic sections~ but be prepared for steeper prices, just like back home ^.^
There are also organic marts/markets~ so keep your eyes peeled for them! For organic coffee~ the chain "Zoo Coffee" has organic coffees and teas ^.^
For "natural" products~ look for the word "자연" (ja-yeon)~ of course, natural does sometimes mean ground-up beetles and such, so...
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Search Dave's for vegetarian. Don't try to use more than one word for the search parameters. You'll get a lot of hits. The upshot is that Korea, although it has a long Buddhist heritage, is almost completely clueless about vegetarian and vegan cuisine.
You can manage to avoid the meat and fish ingredients by being very careful about what you order and insistent on what ingredients should not be included in the meal. Even "vegetarian" meals in Korea have meat--it's what the airlines call Asian vegetarian. And, in Korea, ham isn't considered meat, fish isn't considered meat, shell-fish aren't considered seafood. At least they're not so considered by the restaurant cooks and chefs.
I've been living in Korea since 2005, am vegetarian, and manage to stick ot that diet for both health and ethical reasons. Which brings another issue up: if you have food allergies, definitely insist that the meals you order in a restaurant be prepared so they do not include the food to which you are allergic. Korean cooks, in my experience, will simply blow off requests for a change in a traditional recipe because "that's just not the right way to prepare this dish." If you insist, and are vigilant, you can avoid any trouble--for the most part.
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IncognitoHFX2
Joined: 15 Mar 2012
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:31 am Post subject: |
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It's getting a lot easier if you live in Seoul these days. Many Korean restaurants have at least something vegetarians can eat and there are more than a hundred vegan/vegetarian only restaurants in Seoul and many in surrounding areas. Even small markets carry plenty of vegetarian suitable stuff though you have to read Korean and be a bit careful.
If you fancy shopping online, it's ridiculously easy to order vegetarian products straight to your door as well.
That being said, it is a meat/fish culture but there the veg market is bigger than it has ever been before. You have to do a little bit of research but it is definitely possible.
I recommend joining Seoul Veggie Club on Facebook after you arrive. People there will help you out! |
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IncognitoHFX2
Joined: 15 Mar 2012
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:32 am Post subject: |
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It's getting a lot easier if you live in Seoul these days. Many Korean restaurants have at least something vegetarians can eat and there are more than a hundred vegan/vegetarian only restaurants in Seoul and many in surrounding areas. Even small markets carry plenty of vegetarian suitable stuff though you have to read Korean and be a bit careful.
If you fancy shopping online, it's ridiculously easy to order vegetarian products straight to your door as well.
That being said, it is a meat/fish culture but there the veg market is bigger than it has ever been before. You have to do a little bit of research but it is definitely possible.
I recommend joining Seoul Veggie Club on Facebook after you arrive. People there will help you out! |
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drydell
Joined: 01 Oct 2009
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:07 am Post subject: |
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You will find yourself limited to a set number of eat out places you can rely upon in your area... Usually very few .. So don't expect abundance of choice like back home...
One of the big frustrations is discovering all the tons of vege Korean friendly dishes in places you never knew about because of simply not knowing the food well enough - I only discovered Chung-guk-Jang (deeper fermented dwenjang so no fish used- so smelly but so delicious) a couple of years ago after being here for 4 years... Aargh! |
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Kimchifart
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:34 am Post subject: |
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OP, you can do it, but realistically speaking you're going to have to live in Seoul. |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Part of the problem in Korea is that even after refusing certain foods many many times they sometimes just don't get it and keep offering it to you. Make sure to say you CAN'T eat it, not that you DON'T. They're more likely to accommodate you if you make up some medical condition in which you can't eat any animal products besides cheese, milk and/or eggs, and/or its derivative products (depending on which degree of vegetarian you are).
I don't eat any seafood besides shrimp, lobster, scallops, tuna, mackerel (sometimes) and salmon, and even then I only eat them in a few specific forms. It took people a while to get used to that, and only after I said the word CAN'T. Some Koreans just don't seem to get that people can be picky about what they eat. |
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IncognitoHFX2
Joined: 15 Mar 2012
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:37 am Post subject: |
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motiontodismiss wrote: |
Part of the problem in Korea is that even after refusing certain foods many many times they sometimes just don't get it and keep offering it to you. Make sure to say you CAN'T eat it, not that you DON'T. They're more likely to accommodate you if you make up some medical condition in which you can't eat any animal products besides cheese, milk and/or eggs, and/or its derivative products (depending on which degree of vegetarian you are).
I don't eat any seafood besides shrimp, lobster, scallops, tuna, mackerel (sometimes) and salmon, and even then I only eat them in a few specific forms. It took people a while to get used to that, and only after I said the word CAN'T. Some Koreans just don't seem to get that people can be picky about what they eat. |
I read in one of my textbooks (that I teach) that it's considered rude to refuse food in Korea. Koreans have told me the opposite before but I think that with the old generation, the attitude is "you eat what we give you" and it is seen as a bit rude to be picky.
For example, I stick to the same 김밥천국 everytime so it's not a problem, however if I go to a different one, sometimes when I tell them to omit something they either A) ignore me and put it in anyway or B) they protest and say that it won't be delicious if I take it out.
It's funny because I doubt the taste in 김밥 comes from that cheap looking ham they throw in it.
These days there is also the problem of places trying to put meat in just about everything. My student gave me a muffin tonight from Paris Baguette... there was ham inside. Ham inside a freaking muffin (she was surprised too).
Then there is the fact that ham, chicken and what have you aren't considered meat.
Anyway, don't be discouraged OP. Despite all of this Korea is still the best country in East Asia for vegetarians (I had a much more difficult time in Japan). You just have to learn the language and be conservative about where you go.
Thankfully, there are quite a few items that are almost always vegetarian (at worst you have to pick a few things out). There are also vegetarian/vegan restaurants up the wazoo these days in and around major cities (the Loving Hut chain is pretty much anywhere).
As I said before too, what veggie stuff you can't get in department stores... you can get online.
The main thing is that you have to stand up for yourself and put your foot down. Being a vegetarian is completely unheard of outside of strict temples for most Koreans. Say it's your religion or just say you have a meat and fish allergy, whatever you have to do... |
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tardisrider

Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I think this has been sort of noted above, but just to be clear: many foods that appear to be vegetarian are made with brine shrimp or other animal products (fish sauce, etc) as a seasoning. Almost all kimchi and many, many other side dishes are made this way.
Just because your favorite ajumma leaves the ham and egg off your kimbop, it doesn't mean that you're really getting a vegan product. FYI. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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motiontodismiss wrote: |
Some Koreans just don't seem to get that people can be picky about what they eat. |
I've lost count of the number of times a Korean has told me that I'm a picky eater because I don't eat food to which I'm allergic. NO, MORONS! It's not being picky. It's being aware of food that can put me in a hospital or worse. I'm about half-convinced that the reason I don't encounter Koreans with food allergies is that those who were born with such have already died from being fed the foods to which they're allergic. |
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motiontodismiss
Joined: 18 Dec 2011
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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IncognitoHFX2 wrote: |
The main thing is that you have to stand up for yourself and put your foot down. Being a vegetarian is completely unheard of outside of strict temples for most Koreans. Say it's your religion or just say you have a meat and fish allergy, whatever you have to do... |
That said, try some of these strict temples. Temple food is getting more and more popular these days.
Totally OT: BTW does anyone know where I can get some good hummus? I'm missing my tortilla chips and hummus for snack
CentralCali wrote: |
motiontodismiss wrote: |
Some Koreans just don't seem to get that people can be picky about what they eat. |
I've lost count of the number of times a Korean has told me that I'm a picky eater because I don't eat food to which I'm allergic. NO, MORONS! It's not being picky. It's being aware of food that can put me in a hospital or worse. I'm about half-convinced that the reason I don't encounter Koreans with food allergies is that those who were born with such have already died from being fed the foods to which they're allergic. |
Oh my god. Exactly. And even if I'm not allergic, there are some foods (even at certain times) that my stomach, nose, etc. just won't get along with. Plain, white rice is one of them. I have a Korean meal in the morning and I'll have heartburn all day (actually for breakfast, nothing heavier than a banana and cereal). And I only go to sushi buffets or places that only serve a single type of fish (tuna places e.g.) because most Korean restaurants don't have descriptions on their menus.
Now I'd LOOOVE to see the look on their faces when I go to a western place run by a Korean and ask them to serve me a medium rare steak with sauce on the side. ("What, you don't want to eat shoe leather dredged in some awful, greasy, sweet sauce? OMG ) I think tasting ingredients in their original, unadulterated form is kind of foreign to Koreans. I've had people tell me they get indigestion when they eat raw vege by itself  |
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