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dartimos
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 Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:21 am Post subject: Dubious Lunch Clause |
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Theoretically, if a contract said normal hours were 8 hours.
Then, said contract, stated that the normal schedule was an 8 hour day (theoretically, 2pm-10pm).
After, it stated that normal days were 9 hours in length (I know... stay with me...) and that one hour was for lunch and if the schedule was only for 8 hours there would be no lunch, is this legal?
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YTMND
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Technically, get your butt in the cafeteria. The lunch lady has your name on the attendance sheet. Oh I love the lunch lady, sing it Adam Sandler!!!
Realistically, they just don't want you skimping out and saying you only need 7 hours because one of them is "lunch" :: :: :::: |
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Troglodyte
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BigBuds
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| YTMND wrote: |
Technically, get your butt in the cafeteria. The lunch lady has your name on the attendance sheet. Oh I love the lunch lady, sing it Adam Sandler!!!
Realistically, they just don't want you skimping out and saying you only need 7 hours because one of them is "lunch" :::: :::: |
Sounds like he's working at a hagwon from the hours he mentioned, not a public school, so I highly doubt there's a cafeteria or lunch lady. |
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YTMND
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:37 am Post subject: |
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Technically, get your butt in the cafeteria. The lunch lady has your name on the attendance sheet. Oh I love the lunch lady, sing it Adam Sandler!!!
Realistically, they just don't want you skimping out and saying you only need 7 hours because one of them is "lunch" :::: :::: |
Sounds like he's working at a hagwon from the hours he mentioned, not a public school, so I highly doubt there's a cafeteria or lunch lady. |
Then you could say the same about "lunch" if you start at 2. |
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wylies99
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Dubious Lunch Clause |
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| dartimos wrote: |
Theoretically, if a contract said normal hours were 8 hours.
Then, said contract, stated that the normal schedule was an 8 hour day (theoretically, 2pm-10pm).
After, it stated that normal days were 9 hours in length (I know... stay with me...) and that one hour was for lunch and if the schedule was only for 8 hours there would be no lunch, is this legal?
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The contract sounds like it has been revised, possibly many times. But don't worry. Hogwan contracts are usually ignored, anyway. |
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ontheway
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Dubious Lunch Clause |
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| dartimos wrote: |
Theoretically, if a contract said normal hours were 8 hours.
Then, said contract, stated that the normal schedule was an 8 hour day (theoretically, 2pm-10pm).
After, it stated that normal days were 9 hours in length (I know... stay with me...) and that one hour was for lunch and if the schedule was only for 8 hours there would be no lunch, is this legal?
Thanks! |
Sounds a bit confused. Many contracts in Korea have some provisions that are unclear due to bad English skills among the Koreans who write them.
Labor rules require that you receive a 30 minute break (unpaid) if you work for more than 4 hours up to 8 hours, sometime during the work period (including at the beginning or the end). If you work 8 hours or more you should receive a 1 hour break (unpaid).
So, an employer could require a 9 hour work day and give you a one hour break at any time, including at the beginning or the end. A nine hour day with a one hour break at either end would be the equivalent of an 8 hour day with no break, so perhaps that is what they are attempting to establish in the contract.
Teaching 8 hours with no break is quite strenuous, so if you haven't signed this contract you might want to find out what they really mean. If the teachers actually teach 8 hours straight with no break that would be too much for most people, so then you might want to keep looking. |
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Troglodyte
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't recommend teaching more than 5 classes per day (classes being no more than 60 minutes). Also keep in mind that a 50 min class requires just as much preparation as a 60 minute class. |
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ayahyaha
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Theoretically, if a contract said normal hours were 8 hours.
Then, said contract, stated that the normal schedule was an 8 hour day (theoretically, 2pm-10pm).
After, it stated that normal days were 9 hours in length (I know... stay with me...) and that one hour was for lunch and if the schedule was only for 8 hours there would be no lunch, is this legal? |
I will leave the legalities to the others, but the way that I always clarified this kind of issue was to get these things written into the contract:
1. Specific number of "Teaching hours" and "non-teaching hours"
2. Whether you are allowed to leave the school (i.e. go eat) during planning/break periods.
They can of course ignore the contract anyhow.
At my last hakwan job, the hours were 2pm-10pm, with classes running from 4pm to 10pm. At any time from 2pm-4pm, I could take an hour lunch.
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| I wouldn't recommend teaching more than 5 classes per day (classes being no more than 60 minutes). Also keep in mind that a 50 min class requires just as much preparation as a 60 minute class. |
I agree with 5 classes a day being a good target. I have taught 6 per day, though, and it wasn't that different.
As for planning, my planning time in that environment was around 30 minutes for *all* six classes. Maybe a bit more now and again. |
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YTMND
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| I agree with 5 classes a day being a good target. I have taught 6 per day, though, and it wasn't that different. |
I go by a shift/block formula. First, set the total number of classes per week.
Then, the school can schedule 3-4 classes in a block or shift. I give them one break during this time if they need the availability. This gives me time during the day, or it racks up the hours so I get an extra day off.
Usually I get Fridays off, sometimes Monday. |
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