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mcorteau



Joined: 31 May 2009

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 2:12 am    Post subject: Been here over a month and no pay... Advice? Reply with quote

I arrived at the tail end of April and wasn't paid for my time worked from that point until the first payday(the 10th of every month). About two weeks into my job one of our other campuses joined with ours. Things have been pretty hectic. This week has been particularly tiring due to the schools refusal to turn on the AC and they bumped my workload up. And the icing on the cake is that the owner of our school held a meeting, which he was late to, and spoke to all the teachers in all korean only while we lowly native teachers listened helplessly. Once the meeting finished we were told by our supervisor that we would get a print out of what was discussed. Luckily one of our co-teachers told us that the next two months we would be paid at the end of the month instead of the 10th. I wouldn't be too upset if I had been paid at all yet and if they decided to let us know earlier than 5 days before pay-day.

We spoke with our supervisor and said we were a bit worried about it and she said not to worry, and that our owner mentioned being positive about potential investors. None of this feels right and I would like to know if anyone has been in similar situations and/or has advice as to what to do.

Is it possible to change schools without a letter of release? I feel like asking for that would be close to impossible due to the backlash the school would receive if a teacher left.
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Hatcher



Joined: 05 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 3:58 am    Post subject: Labor Board Reply with quote

Take your contract to the nearest labor board. The new investors thing is BS>
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Luckily one of our co-teachers told us that the next two months we would be paid at the end of the month instead of the 10th.


At that point, you should have said:

"Fine, now pay me for what I did until now or I walk."

By the way, your post is "oh so strange". You are posting as "if" (giggle giggles, toodle loo) you are new to this.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET,

You want to leave sooooooooooooo early in a contract?

What up girl? What happened?
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they are more than 14 days late (from what's stated in your contract) then you can go to the labor board. Any less and you can't really do much.

If they seem like they're going bankrupt then keep your eyes open for other signs. If they do go bankrupt or have to fire people because of financial issues (legally it's a justified reason for firing) then they still need to tell you at least 1 month in advance (even if you're in the 6 month probationary period). If they are selling the school (and thus finishing your contract early), they also need to tell you 1 month in advance.
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amnsg2



Joined: 15 Aug 2010
Location: Gumi

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a little early to go in guns blazing, and you might find it more productive to go to your boss (or supervisor) and explain that you're running out of money and would like to be paid up until either the 10th (as stated in your contract) or the end of April (as with the new payment system). Be calm, and argue your case. Say you had to buy things for your apartment, and can't last until the 31st.

It does sound a little like a 'running low on funds, keep the waegookins teaching until they realise we can't pay them...' situation, but what throws me is that they've just hired you. Did you pay for your own plane ticket? Are you in school provided accommodation? I can't see that they would put a financial investment on a new foreign teacher if they were running out of money only to fire you weeks later.

Don't throw in the towel just yet, but take the advice above and keep your eye out for warning signs. If you don't get paid anything by the 10th demand it. You should go to work, but don't teach. You worked, it's your money.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 10:01 am    Post subject: Re: Been here over a month and no pay... Advice? Reply with quote

mcorteau wrote:
I arrived at the tail end of April and wasn't paid for my time worked from that point until the first payday(the 10th of every month). About two weeks into my job one of our other campuses joined with ours. Things have been pretty hectic. This week has been particularly tiring due to the schools refusal to turn on the AC and they bumped my workload up. And the icing on the cake is that the owner of our school held a meeting, which he was late to, and spoke to all the teachers in all korean only while we lowly native teachers listened helplessly. Once the meeting finished we were told by our supervisor that we would get a print out of what was discussed. Luckily one of our co-teachers told us that the next two months we would be paid at the end of the month instead of the 10th. I wouldn't be too upset if I had been paid at all yet and if they decided to let us know earlier than 5 days before pay-day.

We spoke with our supervisor and said we were a bit worried about it and she said not to worry, and that our owner mentioned being positive about potential investors. None of this feels right and I would like to know if anyone has been in similar situations and/or has advice as to what to do.

Is it possible to change schools without a letter of release? I feel like asking for that would be close to impossible due to the backlash the school would receive if a teacher left.


mcorteau wrote:
Re: Been here over a month and no pay... Advice?



Since you say you've been here over one month and you also say you arrived at the tail end of April, did you really arrive at the tail end of March - was April an error?

The question then, what date did you actually arrive and what was your first day of teaching to be paid under your contract?

It sounds like you had few if any teaching days to be paid for in March. Since you are paid monthly, if you had few or no teaching days in March, you would have had little or nothing to pay on April 10th.

If you worked one or more days in March, then that small amount should have been paid to you on April 10. You should have asked about any unpaid March amounts at that time. It sounds like you actually worked zero days in March.

This means that May 10th would be your first pay date under your contract for working a full month in April. Since May 10th hasn't arrived yet, your pay isn't late yet.

Your post also mentions that another campus merged with yours, about being "positive about potential investors" and now you will be paid late for the next two months, that you will be paid at the end of the month instead of on the 10th. So, you will have to wait an extra three weeks to the end of May for your April pay.

Taken all together it is fairly clear that your school is in deep financial difficulty. When that happens many people can lose money or at least have to wait for any money they eventually collect.

You should get ready to look for a new job. Having been in Korea such a short time you might have to get new documents together, although by going to the Labor board and Immigration and being unpaid by a failing school you may be able to transfer your visa to a new school.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is your pay date in the contract? If yes, they can't just change it because they feel like it. Sounds like a crapwon. Resign and find something else.
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Los Angeloser



Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You just got here and they only owe you for the last week of April? Well, don't expect to get paid for that until the first week or so of June(if your contract says pay day is on the 10th then the labor ministry won't accept a complaint until 13 or 14 days after that). You are more likely to get a loan from your employer than your pay for the last week of April. Be cool, you'll probably get paid if you sit down, shut up, and do what's expected.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:11 am    Post subject: Re: Been here over a month and no pay... Advice? Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:

Your post also mentions that another campus merged with yours, about being "positive about potential investors" and now you will be paid late for the next two months, that you will be paid at the end of the month instead of on the 10th. So, you will have to wait an extra three weeks to the end of May for your April pay.


I took this to mean that she'll be paid at the end of the month worked. i.e. 10 days earlier than she normally would have been paid. So under the new arrangement, she would be paid April's salary on April 30th, not May 10th. I can't see anyone tolerating being paid 30 days after the month worked.

Mcorteau, can you clarify that?
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mcorteau



Joined: 31 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the confusion. I arrived at the end of march and have no been paid. I was not paid from the time I arrived to the first payday which was April 10th. Then, instead of being paid this Thursday, the scheduled pay day, they are saying we will get paid at the end of May. Hope that helps.

The reason I seem a bit early to go, is that they boosted my hours exponentially, they started to have us foreign teachers cleaning the floors when we are on break refuse to turn on the AC and now of course not being paid is a real problem.

Thanks for your help guys!
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcorteau wrote:
Sorry for the confusion. I arrived at the end of march and have no been paid. I was not paid from the time I arrived to the first payday which was April 10th. Then, instead of being paid this Thursday, the scheduled pay day, they are saying we will get paid at the end of May. Hope that helps.

The reason I seem a bit early to go, is that they boosted my hours exponentially, they started to have us foreign teachers cleaning the floors when we are on break refuse to turn on the AC and now of course not being paid is a real problem.

Thanks for your help guys!


Tell your boss to pay your for everything owed up until the tenth of May, then he can pay the rest at the end of the month. Give him until then, no pay, on the eleventh, go straight to the labor board and file a complaint. Then go to work and sit there but teach no classes until you are paid. If he won't pay, ask for a letter of release, get a D10, and seek a new job that will pay you.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weigookin74 wrote:
mcorteau wrote:
Sorry for the confusion. I arrived at the end of march and have no been paid. I was not paid from the time I arrived to the first payday which was April 10th. Then, instead of being paid this Thursday, the scheduled pay day, they are saying we will get paid at the end of May. Hope that helps.

The reason I seem a bit early to go, is that they boosted my hours exponentially, they started to have us foreign teachers cleaning the floors when we are on break refuse to turn on the AC and now of course not being paid is a real problem.

Thanks for your help guys!


Tell your boss to pay your for everything owed up until the tenth of May, then he can pay the rest at the end of the month. Give him until then, no pay, on the eleventh, go straight to the labor board and file a complaint. Then go to work and sit there but teach no classes until you are paid. If he won't pay, ask for a letter of release, get a D10, and seek a new job that will pay you.



This is terrible advice. Specifically the remark about going to the labor board on the 11th. Under Korean Labor Law the boss has 14 days to pay you AFTER the pay date has come due.
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oppa637



Joined: 05 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you have till the 24th of this month. If not paid by then, go to labor board.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is "the end of March"? Is that March 31? How many days in March did you work?

If you worked for a week in March then you can tell the labor board that you weren't paid for March.
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den

PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcorteau wrote:


The reason I seem a bit early to go, is that they boosted my hours exponentially, they started to have us foreign teachers cleaning the floors when we are on break refuse to turn on the AC and now of course not being paid is a real problem.

Thanks for your help guys!


The mopping the floors should be enough of a sign to get out.

Next thing they will ask you to do is start changing diapers.
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