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Requirements for F2 (F6) visa-holder to teach in Hagwon
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ursus_rex



Joined: 20 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul, ROK

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: Requirements for F2 (F6) visa-holder to teach in Hagwon Reply with quote

Have the rules changed? I work at an institute in Hanam City. I've been told that I now have to get a CRC, a notarized degree (I'm Canadian) and all the documentation that is required by an E-2 applicant.

I've never had to do all this before... I'm hoping that the MOE official that is asking for this documentation is mistaken. I'm working for a hagwon after all, not a public school, and I though F-2 holders had the same employment rights as Korean nationals. I'm okay with all the paperwork, but only if a Korean in the same job has to do likewise (which I do not think is the case). I've been in Korea 11 years and rarely return to Canada, so that getting these documents is going to be a major headache. I'm also worried that I will do all the groundwork and the Korean consulate in Canada will eventually respond by asking why I am doing all this E-2 paperwork when I have an F-2 visa.

Does anyone with a similar visa know if I need get all this paperwork done for a private institute?

Thank-you.
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Dodge7



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if that's the case, I will be really pissed at Korea. There's seems no other reason to do this but to spite us.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an F5 and needed all of that when I got my first tenure track job here and when I transfered to a new position. Koreans do indeed often have to submit background checks and verified or original transcript copies, at least they have in the places I've worked. No biggie.

Like the OP, though, I thought it was funny that someone who had spent most of the past umpteen years here in Korea would have to get a background check from 'home'. Classic.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Requirements for F2 (F6) visa-holder to teach in Hagwon Reply with quote

ursus_rex wrote:
Have the rules changed? I work at an institute in Hanam City. I've been told that I now have to get a CRC, a notarized degree (I'm Canadian) and all the documentation that is required by an E-2 applicant.

I've never had to do all this before... I'm hoping that the MOE official that is asking for this documentation is mistaken. I'm working for a hagwon after all, not a public school, and I though F-2 holders had the same employment rights as Korean nationals. I'm okay with all the paperwork, but only if a Korean in the same job has to do likewise (which I do not think is the case). I've been in Korea 11 years and rarely return to Canada, so that getting these documents is going to be a major headache. I'm also worried that I will do all the groundwork and the Korean consulate in Canada will eventually respond by asking why I am doing all this E-2 paperwork when I have an F-2 visa.

Does anyone with a similar visa know if I need get all this paperwork done for a private institute?

Thank-you.


If the academy is licensed by the MOE then yes, you need to get it done.
It is, since Feb of 2012 (law passed in July 2011) a requirement for all teachers regardless of race, creed, nationality or visa status.

Get it done or find a new occupation.

It is a MOE requirement and NOT an immigration issue.

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ursus_rex



Joined: 20 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul, ROK

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank-you for the information. I hadn't realized the change in the law had occurred. If it is applied equally to all teachers in my situation, I'm okay with that.

Not knowing of the change in the law, I was concerned that some official was misapplying MoE policy to myself. As that is not the case, I guess I have some documentation to prepare.

Thank-you once again.
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another good question is how often is the MoE going to require submission of the documents? Once? Once a year? Every time you change work places? Etc?
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falco



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These days, basically every time u take a dump...... Laughing
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every time you change jobs. Clear enough.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Requirements for F2 (F6) visa-holder to teach in Hagwon Reply with quote

ursus_rex wrote:

I thought F-2 holders had the same employment rights as Korean nationals.


I agree with this sentence. I hold an F2 and will refuse to provide these documents. If my employer terminates I will ask them to write the reason, and I'll take them to court or the labor board. If you're already in the job, I think it is time for F holders to challenge this request, because I don't think it is legal. [Just like Andrea Vandom's case against immigration.]

I really think F holders need to stand up for themselves, and someone has to challenge this rule. I don't mind doing it myself, but I've never been asked for the documents.

This to me is a Rosa Park on the back of the bus rule, and needs challenging.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah....lot's of hoops to jump through...but....the same is required by the powers to be in most other countries as well...only those who have questionable backgrounds/credentials would worry....
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think permanent residents of Canada/US/UK have to provide yearly criminal background checks from their home country?
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not annual responsibility, it is when you change employers. Koreans are subject to the exact same conditions. No biggie, nothing to see here, move along....
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slothrop



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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r122925



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
It is not annual responsibility, it is when you change employers. Koreans are subject to the exact same conditions. No biggie, nothing to see here, move along....


You're right, but... This will basically kill the market for part-time and temporary hagwon jobs for foreigners. Who's going to get new background checks months in advance for a 3 week summer intensive job for example? Or a once a week saturday job? I guess the hagwons will just be forced to hire people illegally for this sort of thing.

And Koreans do submit background checks, yes. But a Korean police check takes about 10 minutes and it's free. Getting an FBI check with apostille from the USA takes several months and hundreds of dollars. It wouldn't be such a big deal if I could submit this only once and then switch to Korean police checks for the future. What logical reason could there be for me to submit a new background check from my home country when I switch jobs if I haven't even left Korea between job 1 and job 2?

And what if you lose your job unexpectedly? What if you're fired or your hagwon goes out of business or whatever? Unless you constantly have a fresh supply of FBI checks on hand you basically become unemployable for the next 3 months or however long it takes to get a new one.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Requirements for F2 (F6) visa-holder to teach in Hagwon Reply with quote

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