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ibanezhomie
Joined: 07 Jun 2012
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 Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:54 am Post subject: Why is it so difficult to find a job? |
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| I've been e-mailing recruiters about job listings every day, I've had interviews with 3 or 4 recruiters, I have everything ready except for my apostilled diploma, I'm open to working in any city with a large expat community.. why can't I find a job? I know that the major hiring season is over but I was led to believe that you can find jobs throughout the year pretty easily. Is it because I don't have my diploma yet? Will jobs start popping up once I have that? Is it because I don't have a TEFL certificate? It's really frustrating putting so much time and effort into this and feeling like I'm not getting anywhere, please let me know what I'm doing wrong or what your experience was like. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| In this market, there are more than enough people out there who have all their documents ready. You disqualify yourself for ASAP positions by not having yours, while remaining something of a risk to any school willing to hire you. Anyone who does hire you is more than likely going to be disorganized and at least slightly incompetent, as there is zero reason to hire an inexperienced, uncertified teacher who doesn't have all their docs in hand. The market isn't pretty at the moment, but it will look significantly better once you have everything you need. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| In this market, there are more than enough people out there who have all their documents ready. You disqualify yourself for ASAP positions by not having yours, while remaining something of a risk to any school willing to hire you. Anyone who does hire you is more than likely going to be disorganized and at least slightly incompetent, as there is zero reason to hire an inexperienced, uncertified teacher who doesn't have all their docs in hand. The market isn't pretty at the moment, but it will look significantly better once you have everything you need. |
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ibanezhomie
Joined: 07 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for your response, that makes a lot of sense. I probably have about a month before I receive my diploma, do you think it would be worth the time/money to get a TEFL certificate or is it not even worth it? |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| ibanezhomie wrote: |
| Thanks for your response, that makes a lot of sense. I probably have about a month before I receive my diploma, do you think it would be worth the time/money to get a TEFL certificate or is it not even worth it? |
Unless you are going for a public school job. No. The PS Hiring season over. Maybe if the TEFL is good if you need that special something to edge you over that MA of Basket Weaving teacher competing for the same university job.
Nah a TEFL is not needed. Good to have just in case or get some training. Sorry a TEFL is down the list of what recruiters and schools want. Looks, nationality, gender, and age will be looked at first before the TEFL. |
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ibanezhomie
Joined: 07 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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I apologize for the repeat thread, I should have searched the forums before I posted this. I'm a 24 year old white male so aside from not being a female I think I'm the kind of person that most Korean schools are looking to hire. I understand how recruiters work and I emphasize my strengths on my resume and in conversations with recruiters.
I'm not sure what you mean by knocking on doors and networking.. I don't know what I'm supposed to do to separate myself from everyone else with internet access. I'm open to 2.1m+, all hours, and any types of students; as far as location goes I'm open to pretty much city with a decent expat community. I guess I'll have to be more patient in waiting for my diploma and hope that everything comes easier after that. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| What do you consider a city with a decent expat community? |
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ibanezhomie
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| What do you consider a city with a decent expat community? |
Well basically any urban city where I can meet other foreigners. Seoul and Busan obviously have large expat communities but also I'd be willing to go somewhere like Incheon where the community isn't nearly as big but still exists. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| ibanezhomie wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| What do you consider a city with a decent expat community? |
Well basically any urban city where I can meet other foreigners. Seoul and Busan obviously have large expat communities but also I'd be willing to go somewhere like Incheon where the community isn't nearly as big but still exists. |
Okay, I get where you're coming from, but if you're telling recruiters that you're interested in Seoul, Busan, or Incheon, it's understandable that you aren't getting a whole lot of responses. Moreover, your strategy is somewhat self-defeating if your goal is to have a foreign community to call your own. Yes, Seoul has more expats, but it is somewhat lacking in an expat community, as expats in Seoul have more social options and tend to be better established than their lowly provincial brethren. Really, any sizable city will have a strong expat community, and outside of Seoul those communities tend to be much more tightly knit, as they're much smaller and, to some extent, more isolated. Next time you talk to recruiters, tell them you're interested in cities like Daejeon, Suwon, Anyang, Ilsan, Bucheon, Ulsan, Bundang, Guri, Gunpo, Paju, etc. You'd have to get pretty rural in Korea to find a city without a sizable, close-knit expat community, and the cities you list actually have more disjointed expat communities than many smaller cities (and most of the cities I listed are Seoul suburbs with easy access to the city via subway and bus). |
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MetaFitX
Joined: 23 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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The market is not "flooded".
Took me a week to find a job in 2010. A week.
Took me the same amount of time to find a job in 2012. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| MetaFitX wrote: |
The market is not "flooded".
Took me a week to find a job in 2010. A week.
Took me the same amount of time to find a job in 2012. |
I can't tell if you're great at deadpan or just incredibly obtuse. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| MetaFitX wrote: |
The market is not "flooded".
Took me a week to find a job in 2010. A week.
Took me the same amount of time to find a job in 2012. |
Maybe it's harder for those with no experience. |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| MetaFitX wrote: |
The market is not "flooded".
Took me a week to find a job in 2010. A week.
Took me the same amount of time to find a job in 2012. |
Some people just lack any sort of ability to see outside of their own little bubble and make general observations about the world around them. It's sort of like a rich American saying there's no recession because they are still making good money. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, a look at any ESL job posting site tells us there are TONS of jobs out there. I would agree the market is no where near flooded with applicants. Even SMOE had a to stretch their recruitment later this semester, and they were getting rid of high and middle school teachers. Talk about people not being able to look beyond their personal bubble, look at this site. If anyone went by what was said here they'd think Korea was 1930s era Kansas. I would say the OP's lack of diploma so far that is the problem, add that to only looking at the biggest cities. |
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