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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
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 Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: Non-esl Korean scammed my customers abroad; how to report? |
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Ironically I did over 3 years as an ESL teacher in Korea and never got screwed on money or pensions unlike everyone else I knew.
Within months of leaving korea I get screwed by koreans business partners.
I went down to a Philippines with some korean clothing exporters who I did some work for in Korea. Anyway, the Gyopo owner of the company fell into his old drug, sex addiction, and alcohol addiction. Right now He's locked himself in a warehouse and sleeps on the floor with a live-in prostitute.  He's aiming to be king of the drugged out sexpats at this rate. Even the local police thought I was BS'ing until they crashed his place.
I had him export clothing to some of my international clients; he's either sent the wrong items, ordered months late, didn't file paperwork, or just screwed multiple people on payment terms. Damage is in excess of $20,000-$30,000 in multiple countries.
One of the Korean based clients wants to sue in civil court; another is in Thailand and facing bankruptcy(he sent winter jackets to Thailand) so she can't ever hire a lawyer.
I'm not in Korea and just want to return home to America; but I really need want to have his crimes punished. I don't even care about money and stolen equipment owed to me(local police are helping me out on that anyway).
Even just having his business and license to import revoked is fine. Him and his wife believe they're immune to legal threats so pressure isn't working. They refuse to negotiate or even consider recompense.
I have lots of evidence and signed documents. What's the next step? I have Koreans who can write out reports and help me with the police(my Korean writing sucks, speaking is so-so).
I'm not even sure if I should go to the Ministry of trade or the police. |
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Emark
Joined: 10 May 2007
Location: duh, Korea?
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:44 am Post subject: Re: Non-esl Korean scammed my customers abroad; how to repor |
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I'm not in Korea and just want to return home to America;
I don't even care about money and stolen equipment owed to me(local police are helping me out on that anyway).
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Take what you can, get on a plane, say good-bye to your nightmare and move on.
Good Luck. |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:57 am Post subject: Re: Non-esl Korean scammed my customers abroad; how to repor |
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| Emark wrote: |
| minos wrote: |
I'm not in Korea and just want to return home to America;
I don't even care about money and stolen equipment owed to me(local police are helping me out on that anyway).
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Take what you can, get on a plane, say good-bye to your nightmare and move on.
Good Luck. |
Local police are charging him on the stuff he has locally. He told them it's his...and changed his story after I produced receipts. It's about $1,500+. we're ready to issue a court date almost.
I also found out that Korea dispatched a korean police officer here to help the local police forces. I'll ask him although I heard he spends most of the time teaching taekwondo....
Thankfully one pf the customer in Korea speaks excellent Korean and lives there. He has a lawyer ready in case of any funny business.
What I really wanna know is what department of government to report international scammers and con-artists? I know alot of those voice phishing guys go to the philipines and it's big news. I'm sure there is a department dedicated to stuff like. |
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Skippy
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slothrop
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| Overall I would guess most Korean Government bodies will not care. |
Right.
Moral of the story. Never go into business with a Korean. |
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minos
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Location: kOREA
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Not an expert in Law. Overall I would guess most Korean Government bodies will not care. You could report him, but it will be filed away. Plus why would they care about a Korean commiting a crime in other countries?
Plus you want to be careful with bad mouthing in Korea. Libel laws can bite you on the ass. You could be correct and honest, but it could cost you either money for payment or just paying a lawyer to defend yourself.
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Actually, Korean government seems fairly used to.... Koreans are like kidnapper bait. Ever notice those statements on ATM asking if you got a call from a voice scammer? Overseas Koreans usually in the Philippine.
Alot of Koreans on the run go to the philipines.
A Korea police cop was stationed here recently. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| Skippy wrote: |
| Overall I would guess most Korean Government bodies will not care. |
Right.
Moral of the story. Never go into business with a Korean. |
it's the country where the crime occurred that will do the prosecution. only if the criminal is wanted back home for very major crimes then there might be intl cooperation - in any event, you still need to go through the Phillippines govt, not Korean.
chances are corruption on many levels has allowed this to happen so even there in the Phillippines you might be sh*t out of luck.
as someone else said, time to cut your losses and split. |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
| Skippy wrote: |
| Overall I would guess most Korean Government bodies will not care. |
Right.
Moral of the story. Never go into business with a Korean. |
it's the country where the crime occurred that will do the prosecution. only if the criminal is wanted back home for very major crimes then there might be intl cooperation - in any event, you still need to go through the Phillippines govt, not Korean.
chances are corruption on many levels has allowed this to happen so even there in the Phillippines you might be sh*t out of luck.
as someone else said, time to cut your losses and split. |
Some of the crimes occured in korea. A korean lawyer is advising a foreign investor in korea. So that will go well.
I charged him with some theft of items sent from Korea. The police said I just need proof anything was mailed from Korea to his home. The building guards signed statement will do and I bribed them with Jollibee. They're going to issue a court date soon.....justice can be done.
I should clarify; I just want to know if there is a department that handles international trade and laws. I figure this isn't the usual "walk into a police station" and file a report dealio.
I at least wanna add some complaints that might get his broker license revoked. |
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Evanzinho
Joined: 10 Apr 2008
Location: California
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| minos wrote: |
| I bribed them with Jollibee. |
What did you get them, the Champ burger set?
I love the Philippines. |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| minos wrote: |
| I bribed them with Jollibee. |
What did you get them, the Champ burger set?
I love the Philippines. |
Some french fries and ice cream.
I prefer to bribe with food...You'd be suprised how far a bottle of Sting or Cobra will get you. God knows what a pinoy would do for San Miguel Pilsner...
Actually, the responses I'm getting are good.
Basically instead of charging them with the exact crime; it's often easier to blackball them with many easier to charge crimes.
For example, they(the local version of the FBI) suggested filing a complaint about practicing business on a tourist visa. Nobody would ever prosecute anybody for that normally but it works for bringing somebody to the table. Evidence is easier to acquire and you can threaten deportation and a black mark on their visa(no chance they're coming back). |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| luckylady wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
| Skippy wrote: |
| Overall I would guess most Korean Government bodies will not care. |
Right.
Moral of the story. Never go into business with a Korean. |
it's the country where the crime occurred that will do the prosecution. only if the criminal is wanted back home for very major crimes then there might be intl cooperation - in any event, you still need to go through the Phillippines govt, not Korean.
chances are corruption on many levels has allowed this to happen so even there in the Phillippines you might be sh*t out of luck.
as someone else said, time to cut your losses and split. |
If there's American citizenship on both sides he might be able to sue the gyopo. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| luckylady wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
| Skippy wrote: |
| Overall I would guess most Korean Government bodies will not care. |
Right.
Moral of the story. Never go into business with a Korean. |
it's the country where the crime occurred that will do the prosecution. only if the criminal is wanted back home for very major crimes then there might be intl cooperation - in any event, you still need to go through the Phillippines govt, not Korean.
chances are corruption on many levels has allowed this to happen so even there in the Phillippines you might be sh*t out of luck.
as someone else said, time to cut your losses and split. |
If there's American citizenship on both sides he might be able to sue the gyopo. |
that's actually a very good idea - |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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That's what I hope. Can I sue him for slander and force him back to the states?
He's emailed and told my customers it's my fault(I wasn't even physically in Korea to commit the crimes at the time!). The customers don't trust him and emailed me all corespondance. They also wrote signed letters support my position.
I'm pretty sure he has citizenship. He went to high school and even worked in factories in the states(disowned temporarily by his rich father....wouldn't be the last time).
He at least has a green card and a daughter who is a citizen. |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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ummm....
The embassy was somewhat helpful....they suggested I get his birthday for easier identification on his name.
I did a google search and found a post of his on a visa website...
Turns out he's a EX-con deported from the USA. All the identification details, dates, and locations matched up perfectly including his god aweful (dylexia?) spelling.
He beat his wife so bad that he was sentenced to 5 years in Cali. He said he went to prison once....then tried to say "I'm joking" after seeing the shock on my face( I thought his face seemed a little too serious for a joke). He told me the woman killed herself...might explain why the second son hates him and is so screwed up.
He claimed the numerous scars on his back were
He's permanently banned from entering the USA.
Ummm.....
Next step?
He's trying to get some "good behavior" waiver so he can re-enter the USA again since he was banned and sent back home last time he fly into LA.
I suppose I can at least inform the authorities so he never steps foot on USA soil again. |
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