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Advice dealing with pushy/stubborn hagwon boss: Update
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greatunknown



Joined: 04 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:09 am    Post subject: Advice dealing with pushy/stubborn hagwon boss: Update Reply with quote

Hello folks,

Here is my situation. I will be finishing my contract on July 5'th. A little while back I had a talk with my boss and he asked me to stay until July 20. I told him that it might be possible but I wasn't sure at that time. He has since turned in to a giant jerk to me. There was a big ordeal very shortly after our meeting where he accused me of being lazy and basically yelled at me like I was a student. He had all of the teachers watch one of my classes and pick out problems. He made me sit there while they all talked in Korean all the while he just seemed pissed off. The problems that he originally yelled at me for were proven incorrect in the class we watched, so they kept watching videos from that day. I was so angry being treated this way. I was really doing my best.

The next day the head teacher and another teacher tried to explain his behavior to me. They said things like "He is angry that you didn't apologize for being lazy" "He thinks you have no reason to work hard since you are leaving soon" etc.

Okay so flash forward a couple of weeks and I basically feel like an outcast at work. I can't stand being there when he is there. Our head teacher says to me "OK so your last day will be the 21'st right?".

I told her I wasn't sure and it depends on when I start my next job. But they should probably try to find a replacement sooner because I don't want to work there beyond my contract completion date.

I have since found a new job. They would like me to start on the 16'th. I would like to just finish my contract and get out of this place. My director has barely spoken a word to me except screaming and yelling in months. But the weird thing is he still expects me to stay 2 extra weeks. It is still written on the big calendar in his office that I am staying until the 21'st. I wasn't even asked I was told thats when I could leave.

Am I asking for trouble by just telling him I will be finishing when my contract is up? I really want out of this toxic and hostile work environment.

I am worried he is just gonna flip out and not pay me my severance or something.

Anyways, thanks for the advice.

EDIT: I am the guy who posted the (Poll) Am I about to get fired thread. If you need more information about my situation its all there.

EDIT: Fixed contract completion date


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Wildbore



Joined: 17 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just work until the end of your contract, then leave. Go to the labor ministry if he doesn't pay your severence.
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greatunknown



Joined: 04 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should I arrange a meeting with him to talk about this? I really can't stand being in the guys presence but perhaps I owe him that courtesy. Although I am sure it would just be another yelling and screaming match. We can't even understand each other. Alternatively I can relay the message to him via my head teacher (I thought I already did but apparently he didn't get the message).

I am just trying to gtfo with my pay and severance. This guy thinks he owns me and I am so done with that place.

Sorry if this is typed sloppily. I'm in bed on my cell phone Smile
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Reggie



Joined: 21 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it was me, I would wait until Monday, June 18th before saying anything. That way, you'll be in your 12th month and a 30 day firing notice wouldn't expire before the July 15th end of contract date.
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greatunknown



Joined: 04 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reggie wrote:
If it was me, I would wait until Monday, June 18th before saying anything. That way, you'll be in your 12th month and a 30 day firing notice wouldn't expire before the July 15th end of contract date.


Excellent point and a major typo on my behalf.. Contract is up July 5'th
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

multiple issues:

ARC/status of sojourn. When does your contract end and when does your ARC end. You are free to not report to work the day after your contract has ended and there is NOTHING he can do about it.

The day after your contract has completed you are done and are free to move on. You can file a complaint with the labor board for unpaid wages/severance since you aren't heading home; you will be here to complete the process.

He cannot prevent you from changing jobs after your contract is completed.

It is a simple matter to transfer to the new employer at the end of your contract; even without his (unneeded) permission.

Don't say anything. Just do your job. One or two days prior to your contract completion let him know you expect to be paid out.

14 days AFTER he fails to pay you, file your complaint with the labor office (they can't legally do anything for 14 days).

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12ax7



Joined: 07 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to alarm you, but my gut feeling is that this whole thing about humiliating you in front of your students (that's what he was trying to do) is one of two things: 1) he's trying to mount a case against paying you what your are owed (won't fly with the labor board), or 2) he's trying to protect himself against a lawsuit for libel when he badmouths you to an employer who calls looking for references (no worries since you already have a job lined up).
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luckylady



Joined: 30 Jan 2012
Location: u.s. of occupied territories

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

12ax7 wrote:
Not to alarm you, but my gut feeling is that this whole thing about humiliating you in front of your students (that's what he was trying to do) is one of two things: 1) he's trying to mount a case against paying you what your are owed (won't fly with the labor board), or 2) he's trying to protect himself against a lawsuit for libel when he badmouths you to an employer who calls looking for references (no worries since you already have a job lined up).


+1

sometimes hell hath no fury like a school the teacher refuses to renew with... Surprised
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You likely aggravated the situation by hemming and hawing. Sometimes you need to give a direct answer and right away. A tentative maybe can be taken as a yes and planned accordingly.

Of course boss is also being a big baby. Like with any person who has a position of power, they hate to loose it. He asked for the 20th, he thought since he is the boss you would say "yes sir, right away sir!" but you went a knocked him back down to earth with "maybe!, let me think about it".

Also this could be a classic set up. Once you refused, he either in anger or malice is trying to find a reason to fire you or screw you on leaving.

You could have handled it more diplomatically, still with some people even then they can still be emotional like your boss.
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greatunknown



Joined: 04 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
multiple issues:

ARC/status of sojourn. When does your contract end and when does your ARC end. You are free to not report to work the day after your contract has ended and there is NOTHING he can do about it.

The day after your contract has completed you are done and are free to move on. You can file a complaint with the labor board for unpaid wages/severance since you aren't heading home; you will be here to complete the process.

He cannot prevent you from changing jobs after your contract is completed.

It is a simple matter to transfer to the new employer at the end of your contract; even without his (unneeded) permission.

Don't say anything. Just do your job. One or two days prior to your contract completion let him know you expect to be paid out.

14 days AFTER he fails to pay you, file your complaint with the labor office (they can't legally do anything for 14 days).

.


My contract ends July 5'th so would that make my last day the 4'th? I was thinking of working the 5'th just so he couldn't make the claim I didn't work a full year. My ARC card doesn't expire until August 3'rd.

He paid me today... Late... And after several reminders... *sigh*... Less then a month to go! Smile
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

greatunknown wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
multiple issues:

ARC/status of sojourn. When does your contract end and when does your ARC end. You are free to not report to work the day after your contract has ended and there is NOTHING he can do about it.

The day after your contract has completed you are done and are free to move on. You can file a complaint with the labor board for unpaid wages/severance since you aren't heading home; you will be here to complete the process.

He cannot prevent you from changing jobs after your contract is completed.

It is a simple matter to transfer to the new employer at the end of your contract; even without his (unneeded) permission.

Don't say anything. Just do your job. One or two days prior to your contract completion let him know you expect to be paid out.

14 days AFTER he fails to pay you, file your complaint with the labor office (they can't legally do anything for 14 days).

.


My contract ends July 5'th so would that make my last day the 4'th? I was thinking of working the 5'th just so he couldn't make the claim I didn't work a full year. My ARC card doesn't expire until August 3'rd.

He paid me today... Late... And after several reminders... *sigh*... Less then a month to go! Smile



Probably best to just work on the 5th and be sure about it.

Anyway, about 2 weeks before your contract is up, you should go to immigration and start the process to transfer your visa to your next employer. Don't mention any of this to your current boss. It doesn't concern him and you don't need his permission or even acknowledgement.

He's showed you no courtesy, so don't feel obligated to show him any. If he actually asks, then tell him you're not working after the 5th. If not, then just leave it.

I'm not even sure if you're allowed to work beyond the 5th without notifying immigration or something like that.
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luckylady



Joined: 30 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

greatunknown wrote:


My contract ends July 5'th so would that make my last day the 4'th? I was thinking of working the 5'th just so he couldn't make the claim I didn't work a full year. My ARC card doesn't expire until August 3'rd.

He paid me today... Late... And after several reminders... *sigh*... Less then a month to go! Smile



what day did you start? if you started on the 6th, then it ends on the 5th and you work on the 5th. same as if your contract states the time July 6 2011 through July 5 2012, then you work on the 5th. and if you started on the 5th of the month, it ends on the 4th and you work on the 4th.

if your ARC expires the 3rd, you need to let kimmi know your contract isn't up for a couple of days- go visit them and bring the contract with you and they will set things right for you.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

luckylady wrote:
if your ARC expires the 3rd, you need to let kimmi know your contract isn't up for a couple of days- go visit them and bring the contract with you and they will set things right for you.


Contract ends in July (5th).
ARC expires in August so immigration is not a worry point.

He needs to finish the job (end on the 5th).
Get paid and move on (be out of your school supplied accommodation by the 5th as well).
If he doesn't get paid, the employer is required to pay out within 14 days, (severance and wages) then he has a valid complaint to file at the labor office.

Since he is staying here he will need to either transfer his sponsorship to a new employer after the 5th (old employer has NO involvement) or switch to a D10 (looking for work visa) before his ARC expires.

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luckylady



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oops I thought it was July 3rd Embarassed
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greatunknown



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK I smell trouble coming my way.

My head teacher just asked me if I knew for sure what my last day would be. I told her I will be completing my contract and moving on. She mentioned a few dates that I could stop that were several days earlier then my actual contract completion date. I told her several times "No I will work until the 4'th". She also told me it was OK with the director if I wanted to leave a week early. I told her "No I have to finish my contract to earn my severance"

I'm not being paranoid am I? This was a very transparent attempt at weaseling out of his legal obligation to pay my severance wasn't it?

It seems the cat is out of the bag, everyone knows I'm not going to keep working beyond my contract end date. I have about 2 and a half weeks left I think I am going to have a chat with him regarding my final payment tomorrow.

Any advice on how to approach this?
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