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Aoisagi
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 Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:11 pm Post subject: 30 Days Notice - Korean Immigration |
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| A friend of mine is teaching at a public school and she needs to leave ASAP. She has informed the school and the school has agreed to it but she never submitted the 30 days notice. If she ever decides to return to teach on an E-2, will Korean immigration reject her because she didn't submit the 30 days notice? Will the school most likely report her to immigration or EPIK about this situation? |
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ttompatz
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Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: 30 Days Notice - Korean Immigration |
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| Aoisagi wrote: |
| A friend of mine is teaching at a public school and she needs to leave ASAP. She has informed the school and the school has agreed to it but she never submitted the 30 days notice. If she ever decides to return to teach on an E-2, will Korean immigration reject her because she didn't submit the 30 days notice? Will the school most likely report her to immigration or EPIK about this situation? |
Immigration won't care. She is free to leave unless there is some criminal investigation being carried out.
The school will report her termination to EPIK (if she was an EPIK teacher).
It will preclude ever working again through EPIK.
By not giving her (proper) notice she can expect to lose a significant portion of her deposit and, depending on how long she was on the job, she may also be on the hook for repayment of her settlement allowance and plane fare to Korea.
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Aoisagi
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| She's in Chungnam-do and it says "CEPIK" on her contract. Is this the same as EPIK? I guess if she can no longer teach within EPIK, would SMOE or GEPIK be okay? She also wouldn't be denied her E-2 if she decided to teach again in Korea? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Aoisagi wrote: |
| She's in Chungnam-do and it says "CEPIK" on her contract. Is this the same as EPIK? I guess if she can no longer teach within EPIK, would SMOE or GEPIK be okay? She also wouldn't be denied her E-2 if she decided to teach again in Korea? |
SMOE is EPIK.
GEPIK is a different animal.
I THINK that CEPIK is separate from EPIK but I am NOT certain that it is.
She would not be denied an E2 provided she hands in her ARC on the way out (to ensure that her status of sojourn is canceled).
IF she does NOT hand in her ARC to passport control when she leaves they will not issue another E2 until it expires
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Aoisagi
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for that ttompatz. I'll pass this on. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| Aoisagi wrote: |
| She's in Chungnam-do and it says "CEPIK" on her contract. Is this the same as EPIK? I guess if she can no longer teach within EPIK, would SMOE or GEPIK be okay? She also wouldn't be denied her E-2 if she decided to teach again in Korea? |
SMOE is EPIK.
GEPIK is a different animal.
I THINK that CEPIK is separate from EPIK but I am NOT certain that it is.
She would not be denied an E2 provided she hands in her ARC on the way out (to ensure that her status of sojourn is canceled).
IF she does NOT hand in her ARC to passport control when she leaves they will not issue another E2 until it expires
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CEPIK is EPIK in the Chungnam province area. (At one point they were called SEPIK until that unfortunate acronym was pointed out). There are some slight differences from the regular EPIK contract but when I worked in Chungnam we were told that it was a part of EPIK.
GEPIK/hakwons will probably be your friend's only choice. The powers that be really really don't like teachers leaving early (unless there is a death/illness/emergency in the family or something along those lines). |
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randall020105
Joined: 08 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: just another coin in the pot... |
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Hi, what if the person is a direct hire... are they excluded from Epik also?
thanks.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: just another coin in the pot... |
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| randall020105 wrote: |
Hi, what if the person is a direct hire... are they excluded from Epik also?
thanks.
R. |
It depends whom the person was hired directly by...the school or city (province would be EPIK/GEPIK).
Also on who the paymaster is. |
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Modernist
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| CEPIK is EPIK in the Chungnam province area. (At one point they were called SEPIK until that unfortunate acronym was pointed out). There are some slight differences from the regular EPIK contract but when I worked in Chungnam we were told that it was a part of EPIK. |
Sorry, TUM, but I work in Chungnam NOW and whatever this program is presently called [I thought they were sticking with SEPIC, for Secondary English Program in Chungnam, FWIW] we are NOT part of EPIK. Our contracts are with CNOE. We don't go to EPIK orientations or training, we don't have EPIK requirements [my medical exam was FAR different that what I hear about from EPIK people, for example] and we have a different payscale.
The question for this OP is whether their friend teaches at an EPIK school in Chungnam, which as far as I know do exist, or a provincial-funded position like most of them here. I'm betting the former. If so, it's 50/50 whether she has issues with the national program. Our contracts do have language stating severe notification penalties for early termination without notice, etc. But this being Korea who knows how that would play out in the real world.
GEPIK should be an option regardless. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| CEPIK is EPIK in the Chungnam province area. (At one point they were called SEPIK until that unfortunate acronym was pointed out). There are some slight differences from the regular EPIK contract but when I worked in Chungnam we were told that it was a part of EPIK. |
Sorry, TUM, but I work in Chungnam NOW and whatever this program is presently called [I thought they were sticking with SEPIC, for Secondary English Program in Chungnam, FWIW] we are NOT part of EPIK. Our contracts are with CNOE. We don't go to EPIK orientations or training, we don't have EPIK requirements [my medical exam was FAR different that what I hear about from EPIK people, for example] and we have a different payscale.
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Federal level not provincial.
The province runs its own variation as do a couple of other provinces. For example the payscale is different because they have/had trouble getting NETS to work there. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:31 am Post subject: Re: 30 Days Notice - Korean Immigration |
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| Aoisagi wrote: |
| A friend of mine is teaching at a public school and she needs to leave ASAP. She has informed the school and the school has agreed to it but she never submitted the 30 days notice. If she ever decides to return to teach on an E-2, will Korean immigration reject her because she didn't submit the 30 days notice? Will the school most likely report her to immigration or EPIK about this situation? |
If the school is shady, they will claim that pulled a runner. She should submit a letter providing 30 days notice, have the principal sign it with his/her stamp, and keep a copy for her records. That way she has proof that she followed the contract. But I don't think it will be a huge deal unless she tries to return during the same contract period that this school signed her to work. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Modernist wrote: |
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| CEPIK is EPIK in the Chungnam province area. (At one point they were called SEPIK until that unfortunate acronym was pointed out). There are some slight differences from the regular EPIK contract but when I worked in Chungnam we were told that it was a part of EPIK. |
Sorry, TUM, but I work in Chungnam NOW and whatever this program is presently called [I thought they were sticking with SEPIC, for Secondary English Program in Chungnam, FWIW] we are NOT part of EPIK. Our contracts are with CNOE. We don't go to EPIK orientations or training, we don't have EPIK requirements [my medical exam was FAR different that what I hear about from EPIK people, for example] and we have a different payscale.
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Federal level not provincial.
The province runs its own variation as do a couple of other provinces. For example the payscale is different because they have/had trouble getting NETS to work there. |
Even now with the recession? It's difficult to attract foriegners? Sounds like pre recession times 2007 - 2008ish. How much is the pay then? ANy different work conditions? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Modernist wrote: |
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| CEPIK is EPIK in the Chungnam province area. (At one point they were called SEPIK until that unfortunate acronym was pointed out). There are some slight differences from the regular EPIK contract but when I worked in Chungnam we were told that it was a part of EPIK. |
Sorry, TUM, but I work in Chungnam NOW and whatever this program is presently called [I thought they were sticking with SEPIC, for Secondary English Program in Chungnam, FWIW] we are NOT part of EPIK. Our contracts are with CNOE. We don't go to EPIK orientations or training, we don't have EPIK requirements [my medical exam was FAR different that what I hear about from EPIK people, for example] and we have a different payscale.
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Federal level not provincial.
The province runs its own variation as do a couple of other provinces. For example the payscale is different because they have/had trouble getting NETS to work there. |
Even now with the recession? It's difficult to attract foriegners? Sounds like pre recession times 2007 - 2008ish. How much is the pay then? ANy different work conditions? |
When I worked there 2.8 was the top base payscale. If you had the qualifications and experience and didn't mind teaching extra classes you could clear between 3.0-3.5 million a month (20,000 per extra class). But yes that was awhile back (2009) so things may be slightly different now.
Which is why I put the caveat "have/had". |
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Weigookin74
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Modernist wrote: |
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| CEPIK is EPIK in the Chungnam province area. (At one point they were called SEPIK until that unfortunate acronym was pointed out). There are some slight differences from the regular EPIK contract but when I worked in Chungnam we were told that it was a part of EPIK. |
Sorry, TUM, but I work in Chungnam NOW and whatever this program is presently called [I thought they were sticking with SEPIC, for Secondary English Program in Chungnam, FWIW] we are NOT part of EPIK. Our contracts are with CNOE. We don't go to EPIK orientations or training, we don't have EPIK requirements [my medical exam was FAR different that what I hear about from EPIK people, for example] and we have a different payscale.
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Ah ok. Think it mirrors EPIK's current payscale, in rural areas, which has been in place since 2009. Previously pay scale kept going up because many places couldn't get a teacher. But that's not a problem anymore, I don't think. What you say then would make sense.
Federal level not provincial.
The province runs its own variation as do a couple of other provinces. For example the payscale is different because they have/had trouble getting NETS to work there. |
Even now with the recession? It's difficult to attract foriegners? Sounds like pre recession times 2007 - 2008ish. How much is the pay then? ANy different work conditions? |
When I worked there 2.8 was the top base payscale. If you had the qualifications and experience and didn't mind teaching extra classes you could clear between 3.0-3.5 million a month (20,000 per extra class). But yes that was awhile back (2009) so things may be slightly different now.
Which is why I put the caveat "have/had". |
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