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Martin_Brez
Joined: 26 Apr 2012 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:21 am Post subject: Air fare to Korea |
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I am due to start my first job at a Hagwon in Bucheon in August. I got an email from my recruiter to say that the Hagwon wants me to book the cheapest flight, let the school know of the itinerary and cost. They will then reimburse me for the flight.
However, when the recruiter sent me an email about this position that I am due to start soon it states that the flight is pre-paid (I'm assuming that the school pays for the flight in advance).
I've told the recruiter that I cannot afford to pay for a flight from London to Seoul upfront. I've asked that the Hagwon pays for the flight in advance.
Have I missed something here or am I right to question this?
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Airfare to Korea |
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Martin_Brez wrote: |
I am due to start my first job at a Hagwon in Bucheon in August. I got an email from my recruiter to say that the Hagwon wants me to book the cheapest flight, let the school know of the itinerary and cost. They will then reimburse me for the flight.
However, when the recruiter sent me an email about this position that I am due to start soon it states that the flight is pre-paid (I'm assuming that the school pays for the flight in advance).
I've told the recruiter that I cannot afford to pay for a flight from London to Seoul upfront. I've asked that the Hagwon pays for the flight in advance.
Have I missed something here or am I right to question this?
Thanks,
Brez |
Public schools and the best hogwans do not buy a ticket in advance for a teacher. The teacher is expected to purchase his or her own ticket and the school reimburses the teacher after arrival. You should get this money within the first few days after you arrive at a good school. The best option is to purchase your ticket on a credit card.
For you, however, the matter would be determined by your contract. Letters, email and phone conversations with the recruiter are not binding on anyone. So, what does your contract say?
If your contract states that the school will prepay your airfare, then you can insist on them buying the ticket.
If your contract calls for reimbursement after you start working, the school might help out if you cannot afford the ticket, but they might refuse and find a different teacher. If you're really financially strapped and have no way to pay yourself, and no one will put the ticket on a credit card for you, the recruiter may decide to take the risk and front the ticket in order to secure his commission. |
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Martin_Brez
Joined: 26 Apr 2012 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:54 am Post subject: |
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1) Party A agrees to pay Party B for a one-way ticket from his/her country to South Korea. |
That is all my contract states about the airfare. Party A being the Hagwon and Party B being myself.
Paying for it on a credit card, I've got two already and they're pretty much maxed from my younger days. I don't really want to take out more credit as I want to keep my debts to a minimum.
I may have to borrow more depending on what they say. |
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mike in brasil

Joined: 09 Jun 2003
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:07 am Post subject: |
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If you don't have the emergency funds to support yourself if something goes wrong once you are in Korea then I would either make them pay for the tix up front or find another job that will.
Don't become one more horror story that is all too normal on these boards.
The fact of the matter is that if the school owner finds out you're flexible with the contract from the get-go then they will continue to press you and take advantage of you.
Then a few months into your contract you realize they are underpaying you. Next you realize they aren't paying your health insurance, then your coworkers aren't getting paid.... and on and on.... |
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Troglodyte

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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:07 am Post subject: |
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Or find a new school. |
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Martin_Brez
Joined: 26 Apr 2012 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Or find a new school. |
Problem is that, I am still in the UK and I have now got my E2 visa. The way I understand it is that if I want to find a new school I would have to get a new visa?
Is that right?
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mike in brasil

Joined: 09 Jun 2003
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:02 am Post subject: |
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tell the recruiter that your funds are low and that you chose the job partly based on the free ticket over to korea.
see what they say.....
or, hammer out an agreement where you get reimbursed asap?
either way, it don't sound too good... |
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Troglodyte

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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Martin_Brez wrote: |
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Or find a new school. |
Problem is that, I am still in the UK and I have now got my E2 visa. The way I understand it is that if I want to find a new school I would have to get a new visa?
Is that right?
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Unfortunately that's right.
In that case you're best bet is to tell the recruiter that you don't have the money for a ticket and it was one of the main reasons you took this job offer.
If they absolutely won't pay it in advance, then see if the school (not the recruiter) will agree to reimburse you within the first week of arriving. If their only concern is that you're not going to arrive, then there's no reason to not reimburse you once they see that you've arrived. Maybe you can borrow the money for a few weeks.
In any case, I'd recommend that before you go you should get another couple copies of your documents ready to take with you (if you don't have an extra set already). If things go bad once you've arrived, you can always just leave and get a new job (if you have another set of documents ready). If you're there in person, it's much easier to find a school that will negotiate stuff with you. You could probably negotiate with a school to pay you for the airfare if you're willing to pay for your own visa run to Japan (probably won't run you more than 300 USD for a trip to Fukuoka for a couple days). If you just take the ferry and come back the same day, then it will be well under 100 USD. |
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wishfullthinkng
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:43 am Post subject: |
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would your parents/siblings/best friend loan you the difference of what you don't have to get the ticket?
if you don't have enough for the ticket you might have trouble surviving your first month here as it'll take at least a month for you to get paid and reimbursed for your flight. some people recommend around 500 for your first month but for me personally i would bring at least 1500 for my first month just to be safe and actually start enjoying the country as soon as you land. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012 Location: We Are The World!
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Martin_Brez wrote: |
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1) Party A agrees to pay Party B for a one-way ticket from his/her country to South Korea. |
That is all my contract states about the airfare. Party A being the Hagwon and Party B being myself.
Paying for it on a credit card, I've got two already and they're pretty much maxed from my younger days. I don't really want to take out more credit as I want to keep my debts to a minimum.
I may have to borrow more depending on what they say. |
There's good debt and bad debt. Paying upfront for something that'll be reimbursed and will allow you to work and travel sounds like pretty good debt to me. If you have a look at Moneysupermarket.com you'll see a big range of cards that'll give you 0% on purchases for three months, which should be enough time to get here and cover your first month of expenses.
If you're worried about spending needlessly just stick it in a small block of ice and only thaw when necessary. When you get a bank account here get one that'll allow international transfers and use every spare penny to pay off all three, starting with the one with the highest interest rate.
If you're worried about the hagwon paying you back it does occur, but rarely. If you've searched and not found anything bad online about it you'll most probably be alright. Nothing's guaranteed in this game but it rarely is elsewhere.
Either that or cut your losses and go with a school that'll prepay the flight; you might have to look to China as well. |
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Martin_Brez
Joined: 26 Apr 2012 Location: England
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:05 am Post subject: |
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Thank for the responses everyone.
It was understanding that my flight was prepaid by the school, which was stated when the recruiter emailed me details of this position. I have informed them of this and I am waiting for their response.
I'm saving up now just too see me through the first month once I arrive. I've just taken out a new credit card but that is only for emergencies in case I need to go home.
I might take out a small loan to see me through the first month, I've just finished paying one off with my bank.
I feel that it's too much trying to pay for a flight when I've got existing debts (2 credit cards that I pay �100 off each month, rent, etc) in addition to everyday living costs.
I don't want to ask friends or family unless I absolutely have to.
Thanks for your help guys.
Brez |
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TDC troll
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:42 am Post subject: |
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mike in brasil wrote: |
If you don't have the emergency funds to support yourself if something goes wrong once you are in Korea then I would either make them pay for the tix up front or find another job that will.
Don't become one more horror story that is all too normal on these boards.
The fact of the matter is that if the school owner finds out you're flexible with the contract from the get-go then they will continue to press you and take advantage of you.
Then a few months into your contract you realize they are underpaying you. Next you realize they aren't paying your health insurance, then your coworkers aren't getting paid.... and on and on.... |
This is SO true . Been married to a Korean 16 years .
My wife constantly tells me , "never let a Korean see your weak side" ,
disadvantage point , whatever.
As soon as they know ,
you don't even have enough to fly over here ,
they will already start looking down upon you .
Realise what kind of people you will be dealing with on a day to day basis. |
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Martin_Brez
Joined: 26 Apr 2012 Location: England
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:55 am Post subject: |
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I do have seven weeks before I intend to go out there which gives me chance to pay for my flights and to save up.
But what has annoyed me is that I was told that my flight out there would be prepaid and my contract states that the employer will pay for my fare. If I was told two months ago once I was offered my contract, that I would need to pay for my flight myself then fine. Gives me time to still save up to cover my first month.
They should've told me straight away before applying for this position that I would be reimbursed for my flights rather than saying it would be prepaid.
Once I get my new credit card, I will have to use that if needs be and once I am reimbursed the funds will be used to pay my credit card off so I have funds for an emergency.
If I tried to start again to get a new job then I will need to get all of my documents/visa sorted which takes time and money.
Oh well, I guess I have to learn that the Korean way of doing things if often not as it seems.
Brez |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Martin_Brez wrote: |
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1) Party A agrees to pay Party B for a one-way ticket from his/her country to South Korea. |
That is all my contract states about the airfare. Party A being the Hagwon and Party B being myself.
Paying for it on a credit card, I've got two already and they're pretty much maxed from my younger days. I don't really want to take out more credit as I want to keep my debts to a minimum.
I may have to borrow more depending on what they say. |
If you read your contract precisely as it is written above, it clearly states that the school (party A) will pay you (party B) for a ticket.
It does not state that the school will buy the ticket. Nor does it state that the school will prepay you for the ticket.
So, you should expect to be reimbursed and not have a ticket provided. If there is no timeframe about reimbursement in the contract, you should enquire about that if they won't prepay and get a time certain established when you can expect to be reimbursed. You can explain that you have to repay (whoever) immediately because (whatever good reason).
Since you have plead your case to your recruiter, you may be able to convince either the school or the recruiter to prepay your ticket. But if no one offers to prepay, you will lose a minimum of 3 months' pay if you don't take this job. You will have to wait 3 months for your visa to expire and after that you can get a new visa and begin a new job. Your best option is to find a new credit card or some individual to front you the money for this ticket. |
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Martin_Brez
Joined: 26 Apr 2012 Location: England
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:22 am Post subject: |
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1) Party A agrees to pay Party B for a one-way ticket from his/her country to South Korea.[/quote]
This doesn't necessarily mean that I have to pay for my own flight out there and get reimbursed on arrival. I know also that it doesn't mean that the school will prepay for my flight.
But this is what the recruiter sent me before I applied for this position.
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Here's a summary of the work conditions at the school:
*School: **********
*Location: Bucheon (right between Incheon and Seoul on the West side)
*Start: August 1st 2012
*Salary: 2.1 million Won/month
*2.1 million won Bonus at completion of the contract
*Free Round Trip Airfare provided by the employer (prepaid) |
Now if it didn't say that it was prepaid, then I would've guessed that I would have to pay for my flight out there.
I should've questioned that before hand but I didn't even think about it.
I have taken out a new credit card and will have to use that. The whole idea of working in Korea was to clear some of my debts but I guess I must take on more debt temporarily in order to do this.
Again, thanks for your advice everyone.
Brez |
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