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bindairdundat



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:26 am    Post subject: Post Immigration Syndrome Reply with quote

http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2012/07/29/post-immigration-syndrome/

Post Immigration�Syndrome

A new term is now in vogue amongst new Canadians from China.� It is called Post Immigration Syndrome (PIS).� A friend who immigrated from Mainland China recently sent me an article about PIS.

The article describes�a woman�s condition after she immigrated to Vancouver.� Because she has yet to adapt to the local environment, she is very critical of the culture and way of doing things here.��In talking to�her, the author of the article found that she is equally upset with the United�States and European countries.� She is even more negative about lives in China.� At the end of the day, however, she choose to stay here in Vancouver.

The author of the article described the lives of this type of new immigrants as �eats well all the time, lives well all the time but complaints all the time�. When faced with nothing meaningful to spend their time, these people choose to complaint about their situation to pass the time.� The author encouraged new immigrants with PIS to try hard to get rid of such negative attitudes so that their mental heath would not suffer permanent damage. Such negative attitude will also become a barrier to integrating into the local community and to establishing a stable and healthy life here.

Indeed, being unhappy about lives in Canada is not limited to new Canadians.� It is also a favorite pass time for native-born Canadians. People here love to criticize this and that about their governments and their politicians. You can almost say this is a part of the Canadian culture.� I am actually quite impressed that many new Canadians from China have embrace this aspect of Canadian culture so quickly.

The difference, however, is that after voicing their unhappiness, most Canadians will go on to contribute actively in community lives.� This is because they have a keen sense of belonging to Canada. For better or for worst, this is their country, their home.

For new comers, to develop a sense of belonging to Canada will take time.� Many continue to use phrases like �They the Canadians� and in Chinese: �the foreigners here�. It does take time for new comers to realise that they are a part of Canada.� �They� are �We�. The phrase �They the Canadians� should become �We Canadians�.

Once naturalized, a new Canadian from China, if proper procedure were to be followed,� will require a Visa to go back to China to visit relatives . From the legal standpoint of the Chinese government, a Chinese-Canadian has become a �foreigner�.� So why would a naturalized Chinese-Canadian still insist on using the Chinese term �foreigner� in reference to other Canadians of non-Chinese�heritage? From the perspective of some Canadians of non-Chinese origin, new Canadians are the foreigners. The truth is many new comers continue to be conflicted about their own identity.� Even thought they have emigrated and have sworn the oath of allegiance, they still maintain the Chinese identity rather than taking on the new Canadian-Chinese identity.� I believe if new comers can resolve this identity conflict, overcome this emotional attachment, they would find it easier to develop a sense of belonging.

A sense of belonging will motivate people to learn the official languages of this country: English or French. A sense of belonging will also motivate people to join more community events, whether it is organized by �mainstream� or �side stream� organizations.� In this country of equality, a sense of belonging will stop people from self-deprecation in relegating oneself to �side stream� while promoting others as �mainstream�.

I sincerely hope people who suffer from �PIS� will take sometime to work on their mental state so as to realize they have �immigrated�, not just �relocated�. Accepting the fact that they are here to stay for good and to enjoy life to its fullest extend.
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Kimchifart



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm honestly terrible for this. I complain all the time about Korea, yet I live there and miss it when I leave.

The human condition I guess.
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Leslie Cheswyck



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The woman needs some good Canadian sausage. That's all.
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Dodge7



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe I have a slight case of this post immigration syndrome...could be true.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
I believe I have a slight case of this post immigration syndrome...could be true.


Slight? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Exclamation Exclamation

Good one Dodge.

Made my morning buddy.

As for this PIS, this woman should become a member on Daves, she would fit right in!
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my wife's co-workers has a severe case of this PIS or whatever it is.

He constantly complains about Canada (he is a perm. resident), about his work, about the food...he is originally from Japan.

In my department we have a person like this, she is from France. She is a veritable factory of complaints. She rolls them out in mass production and covers quite a bit of ground in her whining about all things Canada.
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tiger fancini



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:39 am    Post subject: Re: Post Immigration Syndrome Reply with quote

http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2012/07/29/post-immigration-syndrome/ wrote:


At the end of the day, however, she choose to stay here...


I sincerely hope people who suffer from �PIS� will take sometime to work on their mental state


Why can't they just take responsibility for their actions?

I do appreciate that in the case of some people who move overseas, they may not have acted entirely from free will and in some cases there may even be some persecution issues.

But for most other people, choosing to go and live in another country, choosing to stay there and then whining, complaining and making almost zero effort to adapt and fit in to the country that they chose... that's just irresponsible and immature. What's even worse, in my book, is coining "fancy" little expressions (Microaggression, PIS etc) to try to remove any responsibility from themselves.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: Post Immigration Syndrome Reply with quote

tiger fancini wrote:
http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2012/07/29/post-immigration-syndrome/ wrote:


At the end of the day, however, she choose to stay here...


I sincerely hope people who suffer from �PIS� will take sometime to work on their mental state


Why can't they just take responsibility for their actions?

I do appreciate that in the case of some people who move overseas, they may not have acted entirely from free will and in some cases there may even be some persecution issues.

But for most other people, choosing to go and live in another country, choosing to stay there and then whining, complaining and making almost zero effort to adapt and fit in to the country that they chose... that's just irresponsible and immature. What's even worse, in my book, is coining "fancy" little expressions (Microaggression, PIS etc) to try to remove any responsibility from themselves.


Agreed and back home (well in Canada for me) everyting is becoming a "syndrome". That is convenient as it tends to remove responsibility from the individual....
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Troglodyte



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
I believe I have a slight case of this post immigration syndrome...could be true.


Do you mean "slightly more than before you immigrated"?
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Dodge7



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troglodyte wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
I believe I have a slight case of this post immigration syndrome...could be true.


Do you mean "slightly more than before you immigrated"?

I was as gung ho as anyone when I first came here. It wasn't until the subtle and sometimes not so subtle racism and xenophobic tendencies did I start to resent this place.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
Troglodyte wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
I believe I have a slight case of this post immigration syndrome...could be true.


Do you mean "slightly more than before you immigrated"?

I was as gung ho as anyone when I first came here. It wasn't until the subtle and sometimes not so subtle racism and xenophobic tendencies did I start to resent this place.


This is when Radius became Dodge. Laughing
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northway



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
Troglodyte wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
I believe I have a slight case of this post immigration syndrome...could be true.


Do you mean "slightly more than before you immigrated"?

I was as gung ho as anyone when I first came here. It wasn't until the subtle and sometimes not so subtle racism and xenophobic tendencies did I start to resent this place.


This is when Radius became Dodge. Laughing


Most of us are smart enough to figure out whether we can handle such things prior to playing out the Korean version of Married with Children.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
Troglodyte wrote:
Dodge7 wrote:
I believe I have a slight case of this post immigration syndrome...could be true.


Do you mean "slightly more than before you immigrated"?

I was as gung ho as anyone when I first came here. It wasn't until the subtle and sometimes not so subtle racism and xenophobic tendencies did I start to resent this place.


This is when Radius became Dodge. Laughing


Most of us are smart enough to figure out whether we can handle such things prior to playing out the Korean version of Married with Children.


Indeed.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
One of my wife's co-workers has a severe case of this PIS or whatever it is.

He constantly complains about Canada (he is a perm. resident), about his work, about the food...he is originally from Japan.

In my department we have a person like this, she is from France. She is a veritable factory of complaints. She rolls them out in mass production and covers quite a bit of ground in her whining about all things Canada.


I'd love to hear these some time. Perhaps not in this thread, but I always enjoy hearing different takes on places.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
One of my wife's co-workers has a severe case of this PIS or whatever it is.

He constantly complains about Canada (he is a perm. resident), about his work, about the food...he is originally from Japan.

In my department we have a person like this, she is from France. She is a veritable factory of complaints. She rolls them out in mass production and covers quite a bit of ground in her whining about all things Canada.


I'd love to hear these some time. Perhaps not in this thread, but I always enjoy hearing different takes on places.


Those are not takes on a place, they are useless and unproductive whining and in many ways demeaning comments. Such comments are idiotic on here (about Korea) and idiotic here in Canada. However, if you want to read a sample of those putrid snippets, pm me Capt.
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