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On the other hand
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 Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:36 am Post subject: Yitzak Shamir is dead |
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Ex-prime minister Yitzhak Shamir, a former soldier, spy and statesman, has died at the age of 96, Israeli officials announced on Saturday.
"Yitzhak Shamir has left us," current Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said in a statement
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Not much good I can personally say about him. He pretty much represented the worst tendencies within Zionism. Tendencies which became increasingly prominent as the decades rolled on.
The topic at the link makes me nostalgic for the heyday of Joo Rip Gwa Rhee on this board. He always got into that debate with me.
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JustinC
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| Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Who, actually, really cares? I'd be surprised if the total (here) couldn't be counted on one hand. |
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Junior
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:37 am Post subject: Re: Yitzak Shamir is dead |
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Not much good I can personally say about him. He pretty much represented the worst tendencies within Zionism |
You mean the tendency to establish, build and protect their own nation?  |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:12 am Post subject: Re: Yitzak Shamir is dead |
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| Junior wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
Not much good I can personally say about him. He pretty much represented the worst tendencies within Zionism |
You mean the tendency to establish, build and protect their own nation? |
No, I was thinking more of stuff like this...
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All of this dismayed Weizmann. In a phrase still apt today, he reminded his fellow Zionists that Palestine was ``a sensitive world nerve," and he called the Revisionist program ``midsummer madness," wanted by ``nobody except a few partisans of Jabo." Why raise ``this bogey" of a state with a majority, Weizmann asked? ``Why arouse our enemies?"
He went further. Today only the bitterest enemy of Israel would call its government fascist, but that was just the accusation once made-by other Zionists-against the Revisionists. In 1929, Weizmann even told a friend, the New York lawyer Morris Rothenberg, that the Jewish extremists displayed ``Hitlerism in its worst possible form." (This was before Hitler came to power, let alone showed what horrors he would inflict on the European Jews, and Weizmann would scarcely have used this phrase later. But it was startling even then.)
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Shortly after the creation of the new state, Begin visited America, and was fiercely denounced in a letter to The New York Times from 28 eminent Jewish liberals, among them Sidney Hook, Hannah Arendt, and Albert Einstein. Begin was a ``terrorist, right-wing chauvinist," they said, whose movement was ``closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy, and social appeal to Nazi and Fascist parties."
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Plus, the stuff at my earlier link. And please note that I was talking about certain tendencies within Zionism, not, as you implied, the movement as a whole.
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NohopeSeriously
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| Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:07 am Post subject: |
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I guess I should link the Israeli Dr. Shlomo Sand's The Invention of Jewish People website. http://inventionofthejewishpeople.com/
The real Jews are Palestinians. It takes a bold Zionist Israeli to reveal this truth. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Yitzak Shamir is dead |
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Plus, the stuff at my earlier link. And please note that I was talking about certain tendencies within Zionism, not, as you implied, the movement as a whole. |
Like..the tendency to create Arab millionaires?
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The Israeli Town of Abu Ghosh - Arab Millionaires Flourish from Hummus Abu Ghosh is a town on the road to Jerusalem, Israel. Many Arab millionaires who made their fortune from the (non-Kosher) food industries live there in palatial mansions and drive the latest fancy cars. This is one millionaire's story.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=66a_1330427025 |
Lots of Jewish Millionares in arab lands and Iran eh.
In such a huge area like the middle east it I just find it amazing that Israel with 2% of the land and 2% of the population gets so much attention with so much else going on. |
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Junior
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| I have a hunch the decrease is due to migration more than anything else... |
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