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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012 Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:13 pm Post subject: toss those student diaries |
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around 10 days ago I started an intensive class for summer
small group of students, usual banter back & forth but when the conversation came up about daily diaries, I thought, heck it doesn't make sense in this day and age - how about teaching them to blog
one is only 12 (girl) 2 boys, 15 and 16.
they've taken to it like ducks to water. at first we wrote on paper in the classroom and then transferred it to the computer. now they write directly on the computer. sometimes I give them a starting phrase to get them going.
usually our topic just expands on the lesson (we're using Interchange level 2)
their writing is typical ESL stuff (short simple paragraphs) but they are much more eager to do it and not only accept criticisms easier, change it as I correct on the overhead monitor, and actually seem to be learning to write better!! wow !!
I'm very excited about this and wanted to share. I think this can really get kids excited about writing as well as becoming better at their English.
of course it helps to have access to computers in school, I know not everyone does, but even without that if you can get them set up you can have them do it on their own. my students are actually adding to their blogs on their own time on the weekends. small stuff, but when was the last time a kid wrote in their diary on their own?
there are numerous blogging sites available as many of you know so they can now have their own website/blog in English. I was planning a special lesson how to post photos but they've already done that on their own! |
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Emark

Joined: 10 May 2007 Location: duh, Korea?
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent Idea! Thanks for sharing.
This also give you the ability to mark / grade / evaluate their writing much easier too. Nothing worse than filtering through that chicken scratch and dealing with a mountain of notebooks. It's something the parents can see and will "impress" them. |
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lowpo
Joined: 01 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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I like your idea. Instead of creating a blog page! Why do you put the diaries on the school's webpage? |
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thunderbird
Joined: 18 Aug 2009
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Ur first term ended ten days ago thats very eary do u teach elementary? |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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In the US, you have to be somewhat careful about this. You have to check what kind of personally identifying info is in the writing. By law, there are certain things you can't publicize info that a sex offender might possibly use to locate the student. Images and video of the students can also be sensitive in the US.
Due to these laws - and due to the fact many of the older people who are principles and department heads don't know technology - supervisors will sometimes reject such an idea in kneejerk fashion. I've found it's best not to mention sharing classroom products online.
I've had flack before for material on my class website that was exactly the same as items you could find on the school's website. Principles can just imagine a parent or someone making some obscure complaint (legitimate or not) and say "No" or interfere.
In the past, when in doubt, I've password protected a blog post on the class website I created.
You can also setup a site requiring registration.
Video taping role-plays and skits works well. I've used it in Korea too. You don't have to upload any of them for it to be effective, but I've done that. You can also keep them for use in future classes for listening comprehension or examples. Younger students enjoy seeing students they might know or someone's brother or sister.
I've kept a "visual dictionary" of short videos often under a minute long where students act out a demonstration of a word - like Run/Ran...
The students like doing it, and they like seeing what others have done, and it doesn't take much effort. |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Another good thing about blogging items from class is the commenting feature: You can make activities for in class or homework or if the students voluntairly want to comment.
Once, I setup a penpal exchange between my high school ESL class in the US and a guy's hakwon I got intouch with here. The idea was to exchange real letters and then slowly switch over to the blog. The blog was a great way for the two groups of students to keep in touch in some small ways.
It made writing or other exercises much more meaningful to them which made the learning much more meaningful. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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They should still do something by hand.
I have them write either an outline or a word map before they write on the computer. |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:49 am Post subject: |
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A blog is only successful if you have views. Do you have your students read the blogs of other students in the classroom? |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Typically, putting work online is the a step after the final one. They don't draft directly to the blog. If possible, I like to have them draft on computer, because generations now are used to it, and the spell checking feature can cut down on the amount of time students spend worrying about spelling --- which is a huge battle I have with them. Fluency in writing is important for ESL students even if hard.
But most of the time, they draft to a final version on paper - which is also good for them - especially since they are more computer-oriented and get less practice with paper - which is still best for brainstorming and some prewriting.
What I did with my classes in the US where many of my students were high intermediate or better, I'd have them take the final draft and change it into a different format - a blog format. They would add images and such too. It was all based on research they had done at the start of the process and items they might have added later.
Built into any writing, it is good to have peer review small group or pair sessions. First, editing other student writing alone then discussing it in groups. Pushing the students to use English as much as possible.
I think this kind of thing can work with even high beginner students. You just have to adjust your expectations and remember that you are pushing them to have meaningful exchanges when you have ESL students interacting. Even if high beginners do very little talking in English, if this kind of small group work gives them meaningful contact with vocabulary and phrases and sentence patterns done by other students - things they didn't know before or were weak with.
In short, the peer review activities are part of a writing process, but they are practicing all the skills and gaining contact with language items.
I've done a shorter version of this with very short role-play skits the students would write, check, and act out, and then review. |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Do you have your students read the blogs of other students in the classroom? |
I've had mandatory comment assignments - either in class or for homework. It got them to read other people's work and write something.
My hope was that if we did enough activities like it, they woulc be interested enough in writing their thoughts for others to see that they would begin commenting on their own sometimes --- but it hasn't worked out that way yet...but the mandatory assigments did. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012 Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Dodge7 wrote: |
A blog is only successful if you have views. Do you have your students read the blogs of other students in the classroom? |
actually a blog can be a lot of things. it can be re-reporting on actual news stories, it can be a POV, as you state, but it can also be a journal which is how a lot of people start theirs out. remember the film Julie and Julia? (in the film at least) hers was a journal regarding cooking Julia Child's recipes and how it all went down.
therefore taking poetic license into account, we are simply writing different topics every day much as in any other essay class. The idea is to support their writing in a different manner, i.e., instead of drawing pictures they now can add photos. some are just adding photos they like for no particular reason which is also fine - it's becoming their personal page.
do they read each other's blogs? I think they are so self-centered (really!) at this point, they don't really seem to care other than a glance at each other's so as to see who is doing what.
the comments section we really haven't got to yet. this is all just very early introduction-level stuff. although they are blogging every day faithfully, I believe the best way to keep up the momentum is to keep it simple. In fact, I believe wholeheartedly the more they do this, and the less restrictions I place, the more likely they will continue this after our class is finished.
their parents all know about it and are absolutely thrilled, as is the director of our school. everyone thinks - as I do - getting any kid to write on a regular basis is a good thing - and for them to enjoy it is even better.
to answer another q - they all have their own blog-websites, not associated with the school's, which I believe is best for all concerned for many reasons.
to another comment: it's really easy to help them edit when I do it on the monitor. they "publish" which allows me to see it and project it, then I can go over line by line and point out the mistakes, which they can correct and then they "update" on their site. I can immediately see their updated page and check again for corrections.
it is SO MUCH EASIER than grading/editing/marking by hand!!! I can't say enough about it and I truly believe they are learning faster and becoming better writers (in English) this way. |
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nora
Joined: 14 Apr 2012
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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You can apply this mentality to every aspect of your teaching. You are not doing anything new, you're simply changing the medium. Writing by hand in a notebook, typing it on a computer, typing and publishing. It's the same thing as before, just updated for the times.
Everyone should look at their lessons and see if simply changing the medium can build interest. For example, giving students pictures to look at and then they compare the differences - give them the same photos but on their smart phones and you'll be doing the exact same thing, but their interest will be way higher.
I know a guy that uses facebook for his classes. All of the students have a FB account and they friend him and join his page. He'll post questions or comments and the students have to respond to him and others, and write their own stuff. It's no different than peer feedback except instead of using a notebook and passing it around, it's all online.
To expand on YTMND's comment, writing by hand is important. I like having my students write for a few minutes before every class. Anything they want, just write. It helps get them into class, get some ideas flowing, etc. Typing is NOT writing - it doesn't have the same feel to it, ya know? Writing is much more personal. In my experience, my students will WRITE a lot more detail and personal information than they would type.
Just some ideas to keep in mind. |
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luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012 Location: u.s. of occupied territories
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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nora wrote: |
Typing is NOT writing - it doesn't have the same feel to it, ya know? Writing is much more personal. In my experience, my students will WRITE a lot more detail and personal information than they would type.
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well I guess you don't have that much experience with either typing or writing or you would know that writing is writing, it really doesn't matter what medium is used, ya know?  |
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