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itiswhatitis
Joined: 08 Aug 2011
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 Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:15 am Post subject: Curious...can anyone open a hagwon/business/be a recruiter? |
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I have no interest in ever attempting to run my own hagwon or any type of business in Korea and I never want to become a recruiter.
I am curious though, do you need to have Korean citizenship or be married to a Korean to do so?
Is the white American bar owner/Seoul based white American dude recruiter married to a Korean or does he just have a fuckload of patience to go through a shitload of red tape and paperwork???? To be fair, also a great deal of ambition.
Thanks!!! |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:50 am Post subject: |
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All it takes is money and you too can get a D8 visa.
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:00 am Post subject: |
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Or you could open a lot of doors, cut red tape by getting the F-2 points based visa.
Lot's of possibilities.
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Better yet, just go back to Canada and be a recruiter. No restrictions there. I always tell newbies to use western based recruiters and to avoid small korean recruiters because they're more likely to stick you in a bad hakwon. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Better yet, just go back to Canada and be a recruiter. No restrictions there. I always tell newbies to use western based recruiters and to avoid small korean recruiters because they're more likely to stick you in a bad hakwon. |
Just a little note here: being a recruiter and making a good living at it is a LOT of work. |
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KumaraKitty
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Better yet, just go back to Canada and be a recruiter. No restrictions there. I always tell newbies to use western based recruiters and to avoid small korean recruiters because they're more likely to stick you in a bad hakwon. |
Just a little note here: being a recruiter and making a good living at it is a LOT of work. |
It was hellish for us and we closed down after a year. So, not worth the effort and there are a ton of papers to get signed, stamped, etc.
We couldn't have done it without our Korean partner and honestly the most stress was dealing with the TEACHERS, NOT the hagwons! |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| KumaraKitty wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Better yet, just go back to Canada and be a recruiter. No restrictions there. I always tell newbies to use western based recruiters and to avoid small korean recruiters because they're more likely to stick you in a bad hakwon. |
Just a little note here: being a recruiter and making a good living at it is a LOT of work. |
It was hellish for us and we closed down after a year. So, not worth the effort and there are a ton of papers to get signed, stamped, etc.
We couldn't have done it without our Korean partner and honestly the most stress was dealing with the TEACHERS, NOT the hagwons! |
That is something that most people do not know. The numbers game is pretty self-explanatory. The recruiters I met over the years or interacted with (including a few people who like you went into the business and closed down after a year or two) said for the most part that to place ONE teacher successfully, they had to deal with 10-15 applicants. Dealing with in this case means screening documents, doing a screening interview over the phone, contact some schools, ask applicants if they have all their documents and so on....
Out of the lot you get those that are just fishing (ie not serious), those who are not ready (ie no documents), those who are unreasonable in their demands, those who pull out at the last minute and so on...
That is a heck of a lot of work to place one person and get that placement fee.
Now consider the time & expenses for a recruiter or his company and it is not an easy way to earn a buck. |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| It may be true that recruiting is hard work, but recruiters don't make it easy on themselves either. For the life of me I don't know why they leave out important details in their ads. I can't tell you the number of times I had to email to ask where's the job, what's the pay, what are the hours, when does it start...etc. |
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KumaraKitty
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| It may be true that recruiting is hard work, but recruiters don't make it easy on themselves either. For the life of me I don't know why they leave out important details in their ads. I can't tell you the number of times I had to email to ask where's the job, what's the pay, what are the hours, when does it start...etc. |
This is a valid point but it goes both ways. The number of teachers who contacted us for job ads where the location and goes we're clearly spelled out only to decide Bucheon wa too far from Seoul for them or they wanted different hours was ridiculous! We provided location info in every post plus a link to our site extolling the virtues of Bucheon but still people failed to realize the job was not in central Seoul. Frustrating. Let's not even get into the lag minute backing out, the unreasonable demands after a few days of work (ie. new double bed, pay increase, bigger TV, etc.) or the teacher who got dunk and in a fistfight with the school owner after 3 days work but begged to keep his job cause his parents were coming that weekend!!
If you're willing to put the time and effort in, more power to you! Yes, $1000 a pop seems great but if the teacher goes crazy or turns out to be incompetent despite often stellar paperwork, you're on the hook to either refund or find a new teacher ASAP. Plus if you want a good reputation as a recruiter to get more teachers you need to hand hold and mollycoddle a lot as teachers adjust. It's crazy! |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| It may be true that recruiting is hard work, but recruiters don't make it easy on themselves either. For the life of me I don't know why they leave out important details in their ads. I can't tell you the number of times I had to email to ask where's the job, what's the pay, what are the hours, when does it start...etc. |
You are right that there are some shoddy and incompetent recruiters, no debate there!
However, what I described still stands and I think you may not fully grasp the veritable mountain of idiots an average recruiter has to deal with. As it was said, that coin has two full sides! |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| It may be true that recruiting is hard work, but recruiters don't make it easy on themselves either. For the life of me I don't know why they leave out important details in their ads. I can't tell you the number of times I had to email to ask where's the job, what's the pay, what are the hours, when does it start...etc. |
You are right that there are some shoddy and incompetent recruiters, no debate there!
However, what I described still stands and I think you may not fully grasp the veritable mountain of idiots an average recruiter has to deal with. As it was said, that coin has two full sides! |
If only the world was filled with young, blonde, thin, female, American, certified, experienced, HIV-free, drug-free, teachers with an F6 visa, and who are willing to work for pay that is slighter higher than a normal internship, then a recruiters job would just be so much more easier, wouldn't it?
I'm just joshing you. Yeah, recruiters life, hard. Trying to find a needle in a haystack. |
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sml7285
Joined: 26 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| It may be true that recruiting is hard work, but recruiters don't make it easy on themselves either. For the life of me I don't know why they leave out important details in their ads. I can't tell you the number of times I had to email to ask where's the job, what's the pay, what are the hours, when does it start...etc. |
You are right that there are some shoddy and incompetent recruiters, no debate there!
However, what I described still stands and I think you may not fully grasp the veritable mountain of idiots an average recruiter has to deal with. As it was said, that coin has two full sides! |
Especially with the treatment that I see some of the posters on Dave's giving recruiters - the signing on with multiple recruiters, demanding unwarranted better pay, demanding a central Seoul position without experience, etc. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| If only EPIK and GEPIK would bite the big one, things would suddenly be a lot better for the recruiters, some of whom are a lot more reasonable than those two organizations. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012
Location: We Are The World!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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There are;
Good Recruiters and Bad Recruiters
Good Teachers and Bad Teachers
Good Schools and Bad Schools
Good Pupils and Bad Pupils
Good spellerers and Bad Grammararians
I'm sensing a pattern somewhere here.. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| It may be true that recruiting is hard work, but recruiters don't make it easy on themselves either. For the life of me I don't know why they leave out important details in their ads. I can't tell you the number of times I had to email to ask where's the job, what's the pay, what are the hours, when does it start...etc. |
You are right that there are some shoddy and incompetent recruiters, no debate there!
However, what I described still stands and I think you may not fully grasp the veritable mountain of idiots an average recruiter has to deal with. As it was said, that coin has two full sides! |
If only the world was filled with young, blonde, thin, female, American, certified, experienced, HIV-free, drug-free, teachers with an F6 visa, and who are willing to work for pay that is slighter higher than a normal internship, then a recruiters job would just be so much more easier, wouldn't it?
I'm just joshing you. Yeah, recruiters life, hard. Trying to find a needle in a haystack. |
As funny as that was, why not try to be a rectruiter for a while, see how "easy" it is.
In fact, no need to be so limited, work in human resources in any field and deal with applicants in a daily basis. I give you a couple of weeks before you start drinking heavily. 
Seriously, some recruiters out there deserve all the flak they get because frankly they are idiots or worse.
However, as someone who has sat on hiring committees in various jobs I have had, I can tell you finding sane, good people can be damn challenging at times! |
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