View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
|
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: Teach p/s 'summer camp' then just go home? |
|
|
This is my fifth public school in Korea. In the previous four schools I always went home early. At my current school I taught my lessons this week, prepared the next day's lesson, then went home. There has never been a problem in previous schools. In fact, in the other schools when I would stay a bit later working on lessons the f/t coordinator or vice-principle would say "why are you here?" or "why don't you go home?" It was just the norm.
Today I get called into the vice-principle's office and reprimanded for leaving early. I have to stay at school until 4:30. I pointed out that never once have I had to do this in the past. He says that at his school he makes the decisions. I said fine, but it's a first for me to have to do the desk warming thing.
Korea, consistency is not thy thing. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
PigeonFart
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
|
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Your boss is being a d***. Pure and simple.
Sorry to hear you have to work for a man like that. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
|
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Quote: |
He says that at his school he makes the decisions. |
Have him write that down. Then take it to the principal and see if they agree
There is a reason why he is "vice" principal. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012 Location: u.s. of occupied territories
|
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
YTMND wrote: |
Quote: |
He says that at his school he makes the decisions. |
Have him write that down. Then take it to the principal and see if they agree
There is a reason why he is "vice" principal. |
fyi, principals generally just sign off on whatever the vp says.
vp's run the schools |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
|
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:59 am Post subject: |
|
|
luckylady wrote: |
YTMND wrote: |
Quote: |
He says that at his school he makes the decisions. |
Have him write that down. Then take it to the principal and see if they agree
There is a reason why he is "vice" principal. |
fyi, principals generally just sign off on whatever the vp says.
vp's run the schools |
Not at the places where I have worked. luckylady, you seem to follow me from thread to thread trying to correct me when you are obviously only going to be partially right if that is what you experienced.
For me, I worked at a GEPIK school and the vice principal always said no, and he didn't sign off on anything until we got the ok from the principal. In fact, teachers had to sit waiting for her to look over lesson plans to ok before we could teach them.
There was also the time when the head English teacher had to discuss our schedule and she had to discuss this with the principal to ok changes, not the vice principal. The vice principal was just a buffer to handle things when the principal wasn't around. However, he only postponed or put off making final decisions until the principal came back.
If it was a change in schedule or something we wanted, he would say no, and then we would have to wait till the principal was in her office to ask again. I don't know which schools you worked at, but the vice principal has never played a more important role in my history as a student in the US, a teacher in Japan, Korea, or China.
Usually, when I address issues I go to my co-teacher first, then head English teacher, and then principal. The vice-principal is very unlikely to make significant changes unless they are given the permission. I avoid working with the vice-principal because I know very little will come of it.
If the principal is going to back anyone, it's more likely the head English teacher. Neither the vice-principal or principal will know English enough to make appropriate decisions.
While I am not claiming that this is 100% always the case, I also signed a contract in Incheon, and in that case I never met the principal (vice-principal stamped the signature). When we met, a representative from the organization who managed me came with me and we went to the vice-principal's office with the head English teacher at the school. Only after talking with the head English teacher and getting his approval did the vice principal stamp the contract because the principal was not there that day. If he had been there, then I wouldn't have seen the vice principal.
Also, when a few problems came up, the organization I was hired through talked with the principal, not the vice-principal, about resolutions.
My co-teacher and I had to sign in every day, and we had to go to the principal's office, not the vice-principal's office, to do this.
If it is not true in your case or experiences, fine, but please drop the opposition to my experiences. I wouldn't say principal if I didn't have some experience here. I am not giving conjecture.
I hope in the future you can refrain from challenging my posts and respect them. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
|
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:12 am Post subject: |
|
|
OP: You're shafted. Or, in this case, you have just been welcomed to the inanity of Managing (Korean-style) Your Foreigner 101. The veep probably couldn't care less how long you are in the building so long as you are upright, sober, and in front of the students during your so-called summer camp classes.
The sad reality, though, is some brain-dead excuse of a fellow foreign English teacher had the bright idea to whine to someone that makes rules which must be followed. What was the whine, you ask? Simple: Why do I have to be at school until 4:30 p.m. when there are no classes, no students, and no Korean teachers?
The answer: Your contract says your working hours are until 4:30 p.m. You are not on vacation. You are not a Korean teacher. And we don't give a hoot that you may be baking (during the summer)/freezing (during the winter). And to ensure that not only are you going to be there until 4:30 p.m., there will be a twice-daily inspection of every blinking school to check for the presence of one teacher, guest, English, native, pissed-off.
You think I'm making this up? Check with your foreigner-handler, on the off-chance the wench actually happens to be there while you are during the summer break. She will have the policy letter. Don't sweat the thing not being written in English--because why on Earth would anything related to English have even one word of English in it?--because all you need to know is the working hours will be written in Arabic numerals: 8:30 and 4:30.
If you're not there for the inspections--yes, plural; one in the morning and one in the afternoon--you will be docked vacation time. Also, don't tell anyone at all that you were permitted to be absent without vacation time at any previous school in Korea. Why? Please. You should already know the answer to this one: the P/MOE absolutely will inspect the previous school's attendance book for the days you were supposed to be there for the entire eight hours and retroactively charge you vacation time.
And this will be done not only to you. Thanks to you asking the question, it will be done for each and every NET in the province.
You may now thank me for this information. And yourself for kissing whatever vacation time you thought you were accruing this year bye-bye. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
|
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
Welcome to life. Things are never the same to place to place. You have been lucky for the past few years. Remember the past is past. All that matters is now.
This is an old complaint. One teacher had it great and easy with nice teachers, and no desk-warming. While others had strict desk-warming and ridiculous demands.
You can bitch and whine about it or try to find an alternative. As other people have commented, have you tried going above the vice principal? Or course that can back fire as you can make an enemy.
Have you been playing the game. Like many areas of life have your been keeping up with the game of politics. Have you done the request volleyball games and after-school soju get togethers. Have you built cred and favors. Sometimes there is the back and forth. If not go do some horse trading, give a spare Saturday for some event. Grin and bare some silly speak contest.
Of course you can ignore my advice as I do not teach public school.
Good Luck. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
|
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:14 am Post subject: |
|
|
CentralCali wrote: |
And to ensure that not only are you going to be there until 4:30 p.m., there will be a twice-daily inspection of every blinking school to check for the presence of one teacher, guest, English, native, pissed-off.
You think I'm making this up? Check with your foreigner-handler, on the off-chance the wench actually happens to be there while you are during the summer break. She will have the policy letter. Don't sweat the thing not being written in English--because why on Earth would anything related to English have even one word of English in it?--because all you need to know is the working hours will be written in Arabic numerals: 8:30 and 4:30.
If you're not there for the inspections--yes, plural; one in the morning and one in the afternoon--you will be docked vacation time. . |
3 public schools (elementary, middle and high) for a total of seven years. Never once had an inspection. Not a single one.
Although that could well be because the inspector doesn't fancy driving out into the countryside and over the mountains to hunt for a school tucked away in some remote village. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
|
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
3 public schools (elementary, middle and high) for a total of seven years. Never once had an inspection. Not a single one.
Although that could well be because the inspector doesn't fancy driving out into the countryside and over the mountains to hunt for a school tucked away in some remote village. |
No doubt. On the other hand, the schools where I worked were in a cluster of schools less than a 15-minute drive away from the regional education office. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
|
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: |
|
|
You are supposed to be there until 4:30. Some schools will let you go early and not care. Others are worried about the rules. Some local ed office supervisors are anal and will check up while others can't be bothered. If you stay, suck it up and hope for new people next year or roll the dice and move to another school or district. Those are your options. There are times when I had to stay and times I got to go early. I didn't complain because others would have to stay and I'd have to too at another school in the future. So, I brought some movies and "got er' done!"
But I would balk at any school that made you sit there with no heat or air con. That's total BS! But never been a prob for me. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010 Location: Victoria, Canada.
|
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Some PS are great, some are worse than a hagwon. I once had a terrible school, and I regret not quitting. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012 Location: u.s. of occupied territories
|
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
YTMND wrote: |
Not at the places where I have worked. luckylady, you seem to follow me from thread to thread trying to correct me when you are obviously only going to be partially right if that is what you experienced.
|
well, we're talking about Korea, not China.
put your gas mask back on now and go back to your labor camp, 'k?  |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
|
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:29 am Post subject: |
|
|
luckylady wrote: |
YTMND wrote: |
Not at the places where I have worked. luckylady, you seem to follow me from thread to thread trying to correct me when you are obviously only going to be partially right if that is what you experienced.
|
well, we're talking about Korea, not China.
put your gas mask back on now and go back to your labor camp, 'k?  |
My history was in Korea. Did you not read? Obviously you know I am in China now, but my comments were about my Korean experiences. I detailed situations in Korea.
It's actually easier here in China now, so you really put your foot in the mouth with that comment.
Come back with a real comment next time. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
luckylady
Joined: 30 Jan 2012 Location: u.s. of occupied territories
|
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:11 am Post subject: |
|
|
YTMND wrote: |
It's actually easier here in China now |
right uh huh. which is why you continue to post on the Korea board.  |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
|
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: |
|
|
luckylady wrote: |
YTMND wrote: |
It's actually easier here in China now |
right uh huh. which is why you continue to post on the Korea board.  |
No offense YTMD, that always confused me a bit of people who continue to post when the have moved on to somewhere else? Maybe it is your hobby. Well at least you contribute. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
|