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kolya
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 Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:07 pm Post subject: GEPIK Over Hiring? |
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Was just informed by my recruiter that the GEPIK position that I had been "promised" in March is no longer available. At the time I was teaching in Europe and unable to send originals of all my documents. I was told repeatedly that if I sent everything in before the end of July that I would start orientation August 20th. I did, and now this.
The recruiter suggested I leave my documents with GEPIK in the case that a position opens up. Obviously, I will resume the job hunt. My questions are as follows: Is it smart to leave my documents with GEPIK, or should I request them returned? And, is it at all likely that a position will open up? Anyone have a similar experience with a favorable outcome? |
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jeremydc808
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, very discouraging. |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Does GEPIK still hire? I thought that was relegated to the schools. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: GEPIK Over Hiring? |
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| kolya wrote: |
| Was just informed by my recruiter that the GEPIK position that I had been "promised" in March is no longer available. At the time I was teaching in Europe and unable to send originals of all my documents. |
There�s your problem right there. You don�t have your docs ready, someone else who does will take your place.
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| The recruiter suggested I leave my documents with GEPIK in the case that a position opens up. Obviously, I will resume the job hunt. My questions are as follows: Is it smart to leave my documents with GEPIK�.? |
Leave them with GEPIK? I don�t think GEPIK notifies anyone of positions. They don�t hire the way EPIK does. You�d send your docs to the recruiter or directly to the school who is hiring you. Which recruiter are you working with? |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:15 am Post subject: |
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I'd get my documents back because you'll need them with whatever job you land.
There are always a handful of jobs that come open due to people not showing up for work each year. But, you can't count on you getting one of those enough to warrant getting together a second package of documents.
SMOE overbooked 3 years ago and about 100 of us were cut loose at the last minute. I went to Korea on my own dime to look for a job. When I contacted my recruiter asking for my documents back, he had just been contacted by SMOE to find someone to fill a spot in a special program they had, and I got it. But, that spot had been open for months and they had had my package for months. Point being: It's a bureaucracy.
GEPIK has had a lot of issues and changes this year. After the elections, some of the new people have been hacking away at the GEPIK program...
It must be really difficult for the planners to plan these days....has been all year.... |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:40 am Post subject: Re: GEPIK Over Hiring? |
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| kolya wrote: |
Was just informed by my recruiter that the GEPIK position that I had been "promised" in March is no longer available. At the time I was teaching in Europe and unable to send originals of all my documents. I was told repeatedly that if I sent everything in before the end of July that I would start orientation August 20th. I did, and now this.
The recruiter suggested I leave my documents with GEPIK in the case that a position opens up. Obviously, I will resume the job hunt. My questions are as follows: Is it smart to leave my documents with GEPIK, or should I request them returned? And, is it at all likely that a position will open up? Anyone have a similar experience with a favorable outcome? |
Don't you think you should head home and find a job in your career field? What do you think you are going to say to your prospective boss when you plan on going back?
It amazes me people outside of the teaching field work in ESL for more than 2-3 years, really. (And 3 years is pushing it.)
If I were your prospective employer I'd throw your resume in the trash listing ESL as your occupation for the past 4-5 years. |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| I'm pretty sure I'd never lower myself to applying for a job you control, Dodge7. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| I'm pretty sure I'd never lower myself to applying for a job you control, Dodge7. |
If you open your own business, you are in control. You are the boss. I don't see why that is lower than a cubicle typing dweller. |
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byrddogs
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Location: Shanghai
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
Don't you think you should head home and find a job in your career field? What do you think you are going to say to your prospective boss when you plan on going back?
It amazes me people outside of the teaching field work in ESL for more than 2-3 years, really. (And 3 years is pushing it.)
If I were your prospective employer I'd throw your resume in the trash listing ESL as your occupation for the past 4-5 years. |
Do you really think that your adult hagwon teaching in Korea experience is going to be any different for you on a resume IF you ever make it back to the States? Most likely, any prospective employer is going to look at all those years you spent "wasting away" and put your resume either on the bottom of the pile or straight to the bin as well.
Don't YOU think it is time for you to leave the place that you loathe so much, already. That certification/license means jack if you aren't using it for what it's meant for. By the time you get back home, you will possibly be the unemployable one.
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| iggyb wrote: |
| I'm pretty sure I'd never lower myself to applying for a job you control, Dodge7. |
If you open your own business, you are in control. You are the boss. I don't see why that is lower than a cubicle typing dweller. |
What does this have to do with what iggy said? |
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viciousdinosaur
Joined: 30 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| It is pretty much true that ESL experience is non-experience back home. But that's because experience never counts outside of your industry. Accounting agencies only care about accounting experience, sales firms only care about sales experience, etc...we have teaching experience, but the problem there is teaching jobs back home also require a special degree. To teach in a Canadian public school you need a teaching license issued by the regulating agency there. To teach in a private school or hagwon you need a TESL. So if education is your field then the experience counts to a certain degree, but for everything else it's a black hole in your resume. |
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iggyb
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Pointless drivel. It's laughable reading these few people who can't help coming onto Dave's to piss on other exapts about what losers they are...
It reminds me of the few seniors in college trying to make themselves feel better and superior by talking how X, Y, or Z we knew had gotten a job before graduation but it was "retail."
Somehow, I get the feeling that people who really have their eye on the ball out "in the real world" wouldn't feel the need to come over to a forum for expat ESLers in Korea to jump on unrelated threads and tell people what losers they are.... |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| viciousdinosaur wrote: |
| It is pretty much true that ESL experience is non-experience back home. But that's because experience never counts outside of your industry. Accounting agencies only care about accounting experience, sales firms only care about sales experience, etc...we have teaching experience, but the problem there is teaching jobs back home also require a special degree. To teach in a Canadian public school you need a teaching license issued by the regulating agency there. To teach in a private school or hagwon you need a TESL. So if education is your field then the experience counts to a certain degree, but for everything else it's a black hole in your resume. |
This has some merit to it, VD. But, I can tell you from experience that other than being curious as to your adventure overseas, it means little to nothing to employers for a certified/licensed teacher in the States (in my state at least). Maybe if you are licensed in English it might carry some weight (ESL definitely would). |
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Dodge7
Joined: 21 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| Dodge7 wrote: |
Don't you think you should head home and find a job in your career field? What do you think you are going to say to your prospective boss when you plan on going back?
It amazes me people outside of the teaching field work in ESL for more than 2-3 years, really. (And 3 years is pushing it.)
If I were your prospective employer I'd throw your resume in the trash listing ESL as your occupation for the past 4-5 years. |
Do you really think that your adult hagwon teaching in Korea experience is going to be any different for you on a resume IF you ever make it back to the States? Most likely, any prospective employer is going to look at all those years you spent "wasting away" and put your resume either on the bottom of the pile or straight to the bin as well.
Don't YOU think it is time for you to leave the place that you loathe so much, already. That certification/license means jack if you aren't using it for what it's meant for. By the time you get back home, you will possibly be the unemployable one.
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| iggyb wrote: |
| I'm pretty sure I'd never lower myself to applying for a job you control, Dodge7. |
If you open your own business, you are in control. You are the boss. I don't see why that is lower than a cubicle typing dweller. |
What does this have to do with what iggy said? |
That's IF you don't have a sister-in-law already tenured at a Middle School in your HOMETOWN that you grew up and went to school at and have already taught at for a year. I can go back and she can probably set me up with a job now, but my wife and I wouldn't make as much money as we could here in Korea. So I can afford to wait it out.
I was a known trouble maker when I went to school there, and when I came back to sub and take over for my sister when she was pregnant, all of the teachers did a double take and was thrilled at what I turned out to be. I went and saw the superintendent at the Board of Education who at the time of my trouble making was V. Principal that handed me down all those detentions and he pretty much let me know I could have a job in the school district. I was/AM a success story!
I have contacts and a resume that speaks for itself. The vice principal at my sister's school went to school with my brother. When I taught there I bent over backwards for him and showed my dedication. He wrote me recommendation letters and wanted me to come back after my sister came back to her position after her pregnancy but I moved to Florida instead (still regret that). The time in Korea can easily be explained. I'm teaching here and in many states time spent in Korea counts toward your pension.
...I know my situation. What about you accountant/business/basket weaver--do you have your life sorted and mapped out and have an excuse for your prospective employer? Do you even have CLOSE to HALF of the amount of contacts I have?
Think before you speak. Your time in Korea in being wasted every calendar year.
NOT MINE. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| The vice principal at my sister's school went to school with my brother. |
Sounds like Degrassi. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:08 am Post subject: |
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That's IF you don't have a sister-in-law already tenured at a Middle School in your HOMETOWN that you grew up and went to school at and have already taught at for a year. I can go back and she can probably set me up with a job now, but my wife and I wouldn't make as much money as we could here in Korea. So I can afford to wait it out.
I was a known trouble maker when I went to school there, and when I came back to sub and take over for my sister when she was pregnant, all of the teachers did a double take and was thrilled at what I turned out to be. I went and saw the superintendent at the Board of Education who at the time of my trouble making was V. Principal that handed me down all those detentions and he pretty much let me know I could have a job in the school district. I was/AM a success story!
I have contacts and a resume that speaks for itself. The vice principal at my sister's school went to school with my brother. When I taught there I bent over backwards for him and showed my dedication. He wrote me recommendation letters and wanted me to come back after my sister came back to her position after her pregnancy but I moved to Florida instead (still regret that). The time in Korea can easily be explained. I'm teaching here and in many states time spent in Korea counts toward your pension.
...I know my situation. What about you accountant/business/basket weaver--do you have your life sorted and mapped out and have an excuse for your prospective employer? Do you even have CLOSE to HALF of the amount of contacts I have?
Think before you speak. Your time in Korea in being wasted every calendar year.
NOT MINE. |
Good for you Dodge that you have someone to help you out when you ever make it back to Cleveland. I'm seriously pulling for you.
As for me; don't worry. I'm fine with my life how it is. I'm licensed back home as well and teach at an international school where I am. Watching the bank account grow as I type on my 6 week paid summer vacay.
I hope, for your sake, that you don't waste too much time living somewhere that you clearly can't stand. Good luck! |
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