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wteaocb
Joined: 15 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:44 pm Post subject: Need advice!! Breaking contract at 6 month mark? *poll* |
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Hello,
I'm currently working for an adult Hagwon, and have been working here for the last 1.5 years. It's not too terrible, though the company doesn't exactly obey the law in terms of statutory paid vacation, the hours are long, and the pay is not that great.
Anyway, I've decided to leave in September, partly for personal reasons and partly because of family. My sister is going through a tough divorce and has asked for my support.
I don't trust my employer because they are a Hagwon, so I'm waiting until I get my last paycheck and leaving at the end of the vacation I am taking at the beginning of the month.
I know that I will forfeit my severance bonus, and may leave them with rent that they need to pay in an unoccupied apartment. I don't really feel good about that morally.
What's more, I'm worried about something like this creating legal problems for me, or problems getting a visa in the future. It could also ruin the only reference that I have for future employment, in Korea or back home.
I'm in urgent need of advice because I have to make a decision quickly, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks a lot in advance. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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I can't answer the poll because I am not you. Should you prefer to go or stay? This isn't a math problem with only one correct answer.
You have to decide on your own.
What would I do? That's a different question. Here is my answer.
It would depend on the money, if I needed it or not. Apparently your salary is necessary, but 1.5 of your salary (for severance) isn't. I don't know how you need to stay for your last pay but you are willing to walk away from the other 1.5 if it is not really important.
If you gave notice and did it the normal way, then you would be entitled to 2.5 before your last pay. Wouldn't you want that? If you are going to give up money, give it up in return for a letter of release if you want to come back. You can take legal action if they don't pay.
I would discuss it with the school. You could just tell them they owe 2.5 now, but if they pay 2 you will walk away saving them some money. If you wait till you get 1, then they owe less, and you will never see it. |
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wteaocb
Joined: 15 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Wait, if I pull a runner, I shouldn't get any severance pay, right?
I'm nit entirely sure I understand your post about 1.5 and 2.5 and 1... Can you clarify? |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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wteaocb wrote: |
Wait, if I pull a runner, I shouldn't get any severance pay, right?
I'm nit entirely sure I understand your post about 1.5 and 2.5 and 1... Can you clarify? |
Severance is your monthly salary, I will use the number 1 to make it easier to refer to.
If you are at the school 1.5 years, then you are owed 1.5 of your salary. You said you will get your pay and maybe leave, that's another 1 = 2.5 total to barter with.
Tell them they owe this regardless if you leave or stay. They can save money if they let you leave now and give a letter of release. Try for 2.0 and then negotiate lower depending on their "mood". Anything more than 1 is better than pulling a runner. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012 Location: We Are The World!
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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If you go there will be trouble
And if you stay it will be double
But you'll get severance and a good reference and no blacklist entry.
Stay, hand in your notice, act like an adult. |
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wteaocb
Joined: 15 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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If I tell them that I have a family emergency, then will it make a difference? I think that is a pretty good reason for leaving.
Also, is there a blacklist? I've heard about teachers doing midnight runs quite frequently and many come back on a new E2 immediately. I wouldn't necessarily be doing that, I may need to come back to Korea to teach though...
Any more advice? |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012 Location: We Are The World!
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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wteaocb wrote: |
If I tell them that I have a family emergency, then will it make a difference? I think that is a pretty good reason for leaving.
Also, is there a blacklist? I've heard about teachers doing midnight runs quite frequently and many come back on a new E2 immediately. I wouldn't necessarily be doing that, I may need to come back to Korea to teach though...
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Definitely the most face-saving route, yes, but why mess up 18 months of good work? I appreciate your motives but how much extra help can you give your sister in person, rather than via Skype?
I've heard of a blacklist but never seen proof. Best to lean on the side of caution, though. The jobs market is tough everywhere, is your sister going to find you a new job? |
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wteaocb
Joined: 15 Nov 2009
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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It's true, she's not going to find me a new job, but she did offer to pay for my rent until I get settled.
I also kind of already agreed to move in with her. Though I made the decision without really thinking it through properly.
The job market is tough, I do have skills but I've been working outside my country for 4 years now, so I could have problems. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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If I tell them that I have a family emergency, then will it make a difference? |
Whatever sob story you have, make sure they know about it before you ask to leave. If you spring both at the same time, they might not believe you. |
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JustinC
Joined: 10 Mar 2012 Location: We Are The World!
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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wteaocb wrote: |
It's true, she's not going to find me a new job, but she did offer to pay for my rent until I get settled.
I also kind of already agreed to move in with her. Though I made the decision without really thinking it through properly.
The job market is tough, I do have skills but I've been working outside my country for 4 years now, so I could have problems. |
Hmm, sounds like she pulled your heartstrings and used some emotional .. something something.
I don't know the situation at all, so forgive me if I'm being presumptuous, but people get divorced every day. It's stressful, especially if there are kids and a house involved. If you are looking at doing this job long-term then I'd think twice about what you quit for. |
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Redfish
Joined: 28 Apr 2012
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Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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JustinC wrote: |
wteaocb wrote: |
It's true, she's not going to find me a new job, but she did offer to pay for my rent until I get settled.
I also kind of already agreed to move in with her. Though I made the decision without really thinking it through properly.
The job market is tough, I do have skills but I've been working outside my country for 4 years now, so I could have problems. |
Hmm, sounds like she pulled your heartstrings and used some emotional .. something something.
I don't know the situation at all, so forgive me if I'm being presumptuous, but people get divorced every day. It's stressful, especially if there are kids and a house involved. If you are looking at doing this job long-term then I'd think twice about what you quit for. |
+1 It is a job regardless of where it is located and what your occupation is. |
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