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chungbukdo



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:52 am    Post subject: Building American-Style Houses in Korea Reply with quote

Both a job and lifestyle question

So for any of you who get outside Seoul, and even outside small towns, drive alongside the countryside roads and see large American style houses that look to be all softwood, even wood framing, sometimes they have vinyl siding, I imagine they have drywall etc. Usually they're on a large piece of property rather than packed into a village, like the traditional practice of concentrating every house together and having no yard even when in the country.

I've heard that the companies who have these houses done (usually for individual, rich Korean clients) bring in American or Canadian contractors with experience building this type of thing since Koreans don't really know how to work with wood. Apparently they clean up, making over 6 figures in several months.

Is there any way to get these jobs where they bring us in? What companies must be hiring the American contractors?

Also, does anyone know of the price range to build this kinda house in Korea? If I stay long term, I don't want to live in rinky dink crap that most Koreans, even multi-millionaires, call a home. Single mothers in North America live in bigger places than Korean business owners with 30 employees (don't include some city-folk in that figure though). It would be cool to have a nice big place in Jindo.
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viciousdinosaur



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If possible, I would like to live at the top of Mt. Bukhan on a floating rainbow, because frankly living on the ground with other people is gross. If anyone has gotten a permit for doing this please let me know. I know it'll cost a lot, but all I need is some job where I make millions of dollars a year. Does anyone know where I can find one of those. I'm not talking too much, just $4-5 million a year would suffice.
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OneWayTraffic



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol at the above.

A house in Seoul will cost you 1-2 mil. That's for a basic no frills concrete box with a small yard.

A house out of the city will still cost you a million, by the time you've got the land and organised architects and builders, imported materials etc.

Or you could buy a Korean style house out of the city for a lot less. But then what would you do for a living.

Good luck.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But then what would you do for a living.


Commute to your high paying Gangnam job Razz
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luckylady



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Building American-Style Houses in Korea Reply with quote

chungbukdo wrote:
Both a job and lifestyle question

So for any of you who get outside Seoul, and even outside small towns, drive alongside the countryside roads and see large American style houses that look to be all softwood, even wood framing, sometimes they have vinyl siding, I imagine they have drywall etc. Usually they're on a large piece of property rather than packed into a village, like the traditional practice of concentrating every house together and having no yard even when in the country.

I've heard that the companies who have these houses done (usually for individual, rich Korean clients) bring in American or Canadian contractors with experience building this type of thing since Koreans don't really know how to work with wood. Apparently they clean up, making over 6 figures in several months.

Is there any way to get these jobs where they bring us in? What companies must be hiring the American contractors?

Also, does anyone know of the price range to build this kinda house in Korea? If I stay long term, I don't want to live in rinky dink crap that most Koreans, even multi-millionaires, call a home. Single mothers in North America live in bigger places than Korean business owners with 30 employees (don't include some city-folk in that figure though). It would be cool to have a nice big place in Jindo.



not sure who said these are American imports and if that's true or not. I do know that a very good friend's husband is an architect, which is how they met, and built her home (theirs now) which is absolutely breathtaking. 3 stories at the foot of a mountain, mostly wood. cathedral ceiling in the living room with a huge picture window viewing the mountain (this is outside of Jeonju). the home is brick outside with beautiful dark wood inside, lots of large wooden beams and an upstairs deck even.

yes, it's on a small acreage and since they've moved there (2003), other large homes have been built in the area; many designed by my friend's husband. and yes, he uses Koreans to do the building and other work. they are similar to Western styles but all have distinctive Korean architectural features in some way.

if you are seriously interested and need more info, pm me and I can send pics and give you contact info.
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crescent



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Building American-Style Houses in Korea Reply with quote

chungbukdo wrote:
Is there any way to get these jobs where they bring us in? What companies must be hiring the American contractors?

I doubt foreign contractors are being brought in for these builds. But, if so, you need to be already working for the company that is hired to do the work. Knowing from first hand experience, the amount of red tape involved in building one's own home here dictates that a Korean contractor is pulling all the strings. Permits for wood frame construction are extremely hard to get, and there is no real designation for wood frame construction as a 'specialty trade' under the Ministry of Land, Transport, and Marine affairs. This means regulations are confusing and ill-applied, and skilled labor is hard to come by.

Recently, local municipalities in conjunction with the national government have promoted "Green community' habitats such as the 2010 Jukdong Project which features a series of wood construction homes, and these were completed with no foreign labor.

There are also a few ex-military contractors who have married Koreans and set up shop here; European engineers who have done the same, and Koreans who have been trained abroad, so I wouldn't doubt if theses homes are built by local companies. Choi Won Hwa, for example, is a Korean who was trained in Canada and founded the "Building School of Wood Frame House" to train local builders.
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Also, does anyone know of the price range to build this kinda house in Korea? If I stay long term, I don't want to live in rinky dink crap that most Koreans, even multi-millionaires, call a home. Single mothers in North America live in bigger places than Korean business owners with 30 employees (don't include some city-folk in that figure though). It would be cool to have a nice big place in Jindo.

It's impossible to know what they would cost unless you know exactly what materials were used from foundation to roof, and what the square footage is. That vinyl siding you see could most likely be cheap sandwich over concrete with no insulation, as this would fall in line with what most local contractors use.
I do know that wood framing costs 50-75% more than concrete construction depending on the type of wood used and its origin. To pass inspections, wood frame homes need to be fire resistant which means treated lumber, hence higher costs.
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shostahoosier



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in the country and my best (Korean) friend just got married and had a house built for him and his new wife.

He said the most expensive thing was the land which luckily his family gave to him. The house, which is " American style" only cost about a year's (or two depending on how much you make) salary to have designed and made though.

The labor was either all Korean or from Southeast Asia and the architect was Korean.

The government is doing a big project in my area so they're relocating a lot of people and giving them land and money for a new house. I've seen a lot of beautiful western style houses get built in the last 2 years but no western help from my recollection.
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rkc76sf



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Building American-Style Houses in Korea Reply with quote

chungbukdo wrote:
I've heard that the companies who have these houses done (usually for individual, rich Korean clients) bring in American or Canadian contractors with experience building this type of thing since Koreans don't really know how to work with wood.


LOL, I guess all those historic Korean buildings were made from plastic? There are a number of western style houses outside the Army base at Camp Casey, I have a friend who lived in one and it was exceptional for Korean standards- his own yard, lots of room- probably more than 60 pyung, two stories with all western amenities- just like in the U.S. Of course the cost was around 700,000,000 won, according to my wife. The owner rented it for about 2,500,000 won a month.
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crescent



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OneWayTraffic wrote:
A house in Seoul will cost you 1-2 mil. That's for a basic no frills concrete box with a small yard.

A house out of the city will still cost you a million, by the time you've got the land and organised architects and builders, imported materials etc.

LOL! How about you just stick with what you know.
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crescent



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Building American-Style Houses in Korea Reply with quote

rkc76sf wrote:
chungbukdo wrote:
I've heard that the companies who have these houses done (usually for individual, rich Korean clients) bring in American or Canadian contractors with experience building this type of thing since Koreans don't really know how to work with wood.


LOL, I guess all those historic Korean buildings were made from plastic? There are a number of western style houses outside the Army base at Camp Casey, I have a friend who lived in one and it was exceptional for Korean standards- his own yard, lots of room- probably more than 60 pyung, two stories with all western amenities- just like in the U.S. Of course the cost was around 700,000,000 won, according to my wife. The owner rented it for about 2,500,000 won a month.

Post and beam is not at all the same as modern wood construction. There is indeed a shortage of wood construction knowledge here, and just because something is 'western style' doesn't mean it's true to form.
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atwood



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were a couple of Canadian firms building homes here a few years back, but I don't know if they're still around.

There's a Korean company building and selling "affordable" townhouses outside of Seoul. They were written up in the newspaper a year or two ago.

I know someone renting and living in one of the prefab vinyl clad homes. It;s pretty nice inside, but they say it's really cold in the winter.
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rkc76sf



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Building American-Style Houses in Korea Reply with quote

crescent wrote:
rkc76sf wrote:
chungbukdo wrote:
I've heard that the companies who have these houses done (usually for individual, rich Korean clients) bring in American or Canadian contractors with experience building this type of thing since Koreans don't really know how to work with wood.


LOL, I guess all those historic Korean buildings were made from plastic? There are a number of western style houses outside the Army base at Camp Casey, I have a friend who lived in one and it was exceptional for Korean standards- his own yard, lots of room- probably more than 60 pyung, two stories with all western amenities- just like in the U.S. Of course the cost was around 700,000,000 won, according to my wife. The owner rented it for about 2,500,000 won a month.

Post and beam is not at all the same as modern wood construction. There is indeed a shortage of wood construction knowledge here, and just because something is 'western style' doesn't mean it's true to form.

LOL, he said "Koreans don't really know how to work with wood." I'd think a few hundred years might give them some experience in "how to work with wood" Scroll up, that's exactly what he said.
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crescent



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Building American-Style Houses in Korea Reply with quote

rkc76sf wrote:
LOL, he said "Koreans don't really know how to work with wood." I'd think a few hundred years might give them some experience in "how to work with wood" Scroll up, that's exactly what he said.

Uh boy... context?
Aside from that, your post concluding that there exists today some stock of experience in wood craftsmanship because Koreans typically built post and beam structures for hundreds of years, is just as laughable.
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viciousdinosaur



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok here's what I know. My father owns a contracting company. I worked for him from the age of 10 to graduation of university. Home construction in North America is highly standardized and specialized for that market. The contractors who build homes back home are usually highly experienced with skill sets specific to their trade and that's why they produce a high quality product. Having a history of wood carving does not make Koreans good home builders or wood. If you don't have experience directly related with wood frame construction or dry-walling or copper plumbing, and have been trained by an experience journeyman, then you are not going to produce the same quality of house that an American contractor would.

The other thing is the availability of materials specific to American-style homes. There just isn't the kind of selection of materials or the quality that you would find back home. You either work with what you can find or import a lot of the house.

From what I've seen in the construction of officetels, apartments, roads, sidewalks, etc...Koreans lack proper training. Molding is sloppy, carpentry is crooked, there's gaps in walls, ...ugh....my father would never have let me get away with the kind of work that is done here. It's just amateurish. Someone who's work in construction can spot that right away. There are some good crews out there, but they're building the higher-end stuff.

And the "western" houses I've seen in the countryside. They look like the real deal from far away. But once you get up close you realize it's been compromised to the point where its really just a Korean interpretation of an American home.
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shostahoosier



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

viciousdinosaur wrote:

And the "western" houses I've seen in the countryside. They look like the real deal from far away. But once you get up close you realize it's been compromised to the point where its really just a Korean interpretation of an American home.


I agree with this point completely. The brick/wooden facade looks nice from the outside but on the inside you often see that the walls aren't insulated, or that the design isn't energy efficient.

I guess on the bright side at least the newer houses aren't using the garish color schemes that were so popular in the past. Baby steps I guess.
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