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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:43 am    Post subject: New to college teaching, expectations Reply with quote

This is my first year teaching at a college. So, I am looking for any advice from the more experienced teachers out there. I am happy to see that the high school antics aren't happening (at least not yet, I know it's just the first week).

I have had a couple classes where they were quiet and worked like team players. I have also had a couple classes where students were talking in the beginning and I went ahead and just taught a few in the front who were willing to participate. Eventually, the rest got quiet and I felt relieved to see more interaction on their part.

Despite the good feeling, I also have some students that gave me the stare that they seemed completely dissatisfied with the class. One student who has a very good command of the language said I seemed too serious, but with other students I got a completely different feeling. They were laughing and we all were joking at times.

Some of these classes are newspaper classes. I don't know why they have a native English speaker teaching a newspaper class, because the textbook is almost all in Chinese. It has chapters and sections on abbreviations for words like "impro"/"improv" instead of "improvisation". There are articles in Chinese with translations in English. I don't know how to make these "fun" besides just taking it like medicine. Personally, I enjoy translating news articles, and to me it is fun, but to some of these students they could care less it seems.

They are also seniors (4th year students), so a lot of them are fairly good at listening. They understand when I give them answers to my questions. However, they cannot produce nearly as well.

Should I forget the book? Should I assign homework? Do colleges expect that sort of thing? I got my one pass teaching the way I wanted this week. We meet twice a week, so tomorrow and Friday I want to present a different style of class and let them choose what they want.

It's different than a conversation class because there is a ton of reading and vocabulary. If I have them read in class, it will go very slow and waste time. I am trying to find a way to make use of the book because I am assuming the school wants that. Their position is to "just give students tips on how to read a newspaper". The students on the other hand would prefer to listen and maybe they are in the passive mode expecting more of a presentation.

How much of your college classes are presentations with you lecturing? How much of it is interaction? I am trying to get them to talk and I have them break up into groups before speaking. I am quite comfortable doing this, and it seems to have positive effects. I am just not sure how it is being received by the students. Near the end of the classes, I have noticed that the students start talking more with background noise. Not English, but Chinese it seems like. When I taught at a high school, the same kind of thing happened, and I just tried to get one lesson completed before that time. Do you experience the same thing in college?

How do you discipline college students? Do you simply ignore disruptions whereas in high school you might kick them out of class?
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Ballerina2012



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't have any advice except to say congrats!! My dream job, teaching in a college..Smile
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sigmundsmith



Joined: 22 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I assume you are not the only teacher at your college and you have other foreign teachers in your office. I say this because your colleagues will be able to give you better advice as to the type of students you have at your college. I have worked at 3 different universities and it can be surprising how the dynamics of not only classes but universities differ from one to another as well.

So it is hard to give suggestions as what to do you can do in the class... sorry!
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Dodge7



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ballerina2012 wrote:
Don't have any advice except to say congrats!! My dream job, teaching in a college..Smile


LOL. Your absolute DREAM JOB is working as an English Teacher in Korea? Where's your ambition?!
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LOL. Your absolute DREAM JOB is working as an English Teacher in Korea? Where's your ambition?!


As long as you're not a dynamic, go-getting Alpha Male type, are not totally driven by money and you enjoy teaching, working for 9-12 hours a week with 4-5 month holidays is pretty much a perfect job. OK working in Korea might not be everyone's dream but Ballerina was only talking about the job, not the location.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's your first semester so just relax and try to stick to advised targets of the class as best you can. As another poster suggested, feel out some of the other foreign teachers there.

Chalk up anything you learn to inexperience; learn from it and drive on. Sounds like you're doing a great job of it so far, and the fact that you're concerned means that you're cognizant of your responsibilities. Good on you.
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: New to college teaching, expectations Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
We meet twice a week, so tomorrow and Friday I want to present a different style of class and let them choose what they want.


I'm not a big fan of doing this. Part of it is because I'm the supposed expert and I think I (and the students) should be able to trust in how I choose to run the class. I think it devalues our profession to get the students to choose the class format all the time. Offering individual choices for certain activities is great, but having them dictate the whole direction of the class? Do not like.

The other reason is that you can never please everyone in the class, so asking them to choose will always leave some students dissatisfied and maybe even resentful that you cater to some students' preferences, but not their's. If it is clear that you are in charge of the material, then no matter what the ultimate reaction (and if you are good at your job, it should mostly be positive) at least the students will see it as fair.

I went through teacher training back home, and I know my attitude flies in the face of this "co-construction" kick that education seems to be on, but that's just my opinion on the matter.
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cheezsteakwit



Joined: 12 Oct 2011
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:01 pm    Post subject: New to college teaching , suggestions Reply with quote

There's a group on facebook called "foreign professors and university English teachers in korea". A guy named Tony Marshall is the admin.

Their purpose is to discuss teaching strategies, etc... at the Uni level. You'd probably find some good answers there.

Also, maybe ask these questions in the International Jobs Forum, or China Jobs forum on Daves, as well?

Good luck
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chrisblank



Joined: 14 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just some general questions you should be asking yourself:

Who are these students? Are you teaching in a major program (ie: English majors only) or is it a general education class?

What level are they? Freshmen? Seniors? Is the class mixed?

What is the goal of the course?

Is the course for credit? (if it is, that is one way to control the students, tie class participation and attitude to final scores)
Or is it just a non-credit hogwon style class? (I'm guessing from ur description it isn't)

So...
How are the students' final grades calculated?
Is there a final exam? Who makes it? What is on it?
What homework assignments do you have? Quizzes?

In a class aimed at reading I prepare comprehension questions and questions related to the reading that would be about the students (if you are reading an article about marriage in China, then questions about relationships, marriage age, etc)
I also look through the reading and find vocabulary and idiomatic expressions that I know the students will be unfamiliar with. I make a list and check understanding. Then later I base quizzes on the vocab.
I like to work on reading skills, so I do some lecture time on how to read, strategies, etc. In a 16 week course based on reading a good third is lecture based for me.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisblank wrote:
Just some general questions you should be asking yourself:

Who are these students? Are you teaching in a major program (ie: English majors only) or is it a general education class?

What level are they? Freshmen? Seniors? Is the class mixed?

What is the goal of the course?

Is the course for credit? (if it is, that is one way to control the students, tie class participation and attitude to final scores)
Or is it just a non-credit hogwon style class? (I'm guessing from ur description it isn't)

So...
How are the students' final grades calculated?
Is there a final exam? Who makes it? What is on it?
What homework assignments do you have? Quizzes?

In a class aimed at reading I prepare comprehension questions and questions related to the reading that would be about the students (if you are reading an article about marriage in China, then questions about relationships, marriage age, etc)
I also look through the reading and find vocabulary and idiomatic expressions that I know the students will be unfamiliar with. I make a list and check understanding. Then later I base quizzes on the vocab.
I like to work on reading skills, so I do some lecture time on how to read, strategies, etc. In a 16 week course based on reading a good third is lecture based for me.


A lot of your questions I have asked the department about and I am waiting for a response. These are English specific majors, and another teacher is doing a writing class. So, I think the emphasis in most of my classes is speaking. It's just that there is an 8 week program for the seniors. Their listening comprehension is pretty good, but they don't speak well. For now, I am assuming the school wants me to combine newspaper reading with conversation.

I have been focusing a lot on what you mentioned about talking about words or phrases they might not know. As a group we try to break down the meaning and understand them using different words or replacing with an appropriate one. I just feel they are getting tired after the 10th sentence. I don't know how to make it more exciting.

With kids, you can play games. With college students running up to the blackboard isn't that exciting as it used to be Laughing (completely feared in high school)

I thought maybe they could decide on 3-5 reading sections today from the book, and then I would quiz them on it next week. Sort of like a trivia game, but make it mostly multiple choice if they can't answer without some possible answers.
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wishfullthinkng



Joined: 05 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodge7 wrote:
Ballerina2012 wrote:
Don't have any advice except to say congrats!! My dream job, teaching in a college..Smile


LOL. Your absolute DREAM JOB is working as an English Teacher in Korea? Where's your ambition?!



this coming from an english teacher in korea. lol. the stupidity never ceases.
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kimchikowboy



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did I misread something? Why are all of the books in Chinese? Why are all of the students speaking Chinese? Is the OP in Korea?
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, do NOT provide the class with instructional style alternatives. This is Korea, and a teacher-centered hierarchy in the classroom is the norm.

Look up some work by Hofstede on cultural differences if you need back up on this. Other posters will agree. I'm speaking from experience and a lot of it. This will confuse your class and diminish their opinion of you.
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transmogrifier



Joined: 02 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
OP, do NOT provide the class with instructional style alternatives. This is Korea, and a teacher-centered hierarchy in the classroom is the norm.

Look up some work by Hofstede on cultural differences if you need back up on this. Other posters will agree. I'm speaking from experience and a lot of it. This will confuse your class and diminish their opinion of you.


Exactly. I would even go as far to say it is rubbish for all cultures.
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
Location: You're the man now dog!!

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did I misread something? Why are all of the books in Chinese? Why are all of the students speaking Chinese? Is the OP in Korea?


I have double posted, but there tends to be more feedback with the teachers in Korea. That's why I also posted here. I think the advice you guys have given me fits as far as making decisions.

The reality of the issue is that these are seniors, and they don't care about their final year. The sophomores are showing interest in after class activities on campus, whereas the seniors are reacting with, "What are you crazy? We come here for 3 hours, there is no way we are going to put another hour into this school than we have to."

They are only here for 8 weeks anyway.

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do NOT provide the class with instructional style alternatives


This seems to fit kind of. I asked if they read any of the book, and there was no response, nothing. It's more than 300+ pages and with an 8 week course, that's 30+ pages a week. I doubt they will voluntarily read in their dorm room. So, I picked one page and they spent more time than I had expected looking up words. I am wondering if this is a happy medium. They read a page and then we go over it.

How much time do you allow/expect students to read?
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