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Jellybeanem
Joined: 06 May 2012
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:07 pm Post subject: Culture shock? |
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This is my first week in Korea I'm living in Ulsan which I find a little too small and my hog won has changed many things they promised me including working hours,holiday and lunch time break,I have 20 mins instead of the promised hour.the contract is ambiguous so they have argued around it.
I have skipped stage one of culture shock I'm firmly in stage two.is this normal? or do I just hate my employer and city?
Also if I wanted to leave after 6 months would I still have to pay the air fair back? my contract says I do,but I've read in other places by law you don't have to pay back if you do six months? |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Culture shock? |
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Jellybeanem wrote: |
This is my first week in Korea I'm living in Ulsan which I find a little too small and my hog won has changed many things they promised me including working hours,holiday and lunch time break,I have 20 mins instead of the promised hour.the contract is ambiguous so they have argued around it.
I have skipped stage one of culture shock I'm firmly in stage two.is this normal? or do I just hate my employer and city?
Also if I wanted to leave after 6 months would I still have to pay the air fair back? my contract says I do,but I've read in other places by law you don't have to pay back if you do six months? |
The first week is the most important week. You have to stand firm to not let them intimidate you. You'll either become their slave or the master of your destiny in Korea. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Don't let them change anything. Too many other teachers just go along with whatever the schools say and do. Don't be a doormat. This can happen even with public schools. |
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Ibsen
Joined: 09 Dec 2011
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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dairyairy wrote: |
Don't let them change anything. Too many other teachers just go along with whatever the schools say and do. Don't be a doormat. This can happen even with public schools. |
Good advice, but at the same time don't be too picky over little things. If there are little discrepancies in what they tell you and your contract, don't make a big fuss over it unless it really affects you. Making a big deal over nothing really is a bad way to start off the 6 months or year you will be working there and could make it a lot worse than it has to be. If they are completely changing or ignoring areas of the contract, then by all means, stand firm and don't let them walk all over you, but at the same time don't be a princess... |
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busanliving
Joined: 29 Apr 2009
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Where in Ulsan are you? It's actually a huge city with lots of different areas. Check out ulsanonline.com and go exploring! |
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Ok sweetie...take a deep breath and relax. Every school and every city has their good points and bad.
Let's tackle the work environment first. What exactly does your contract say, and how is the school getting around it? Are you working the number of hours/classes specified in the contract? Is a 20 minute lunch really a deal-breaker? Since you're only getting 20 minutes, does that mean you come in later or leave earlier?
Are you having a tough time dealing with the students? Could you use some suggestions on teaching and/or classroom management? Teaching ANYWHERE for the first time is a harrowing experience, even if it's in your own country. You're the teacher for heaven sakes. You're supposed to know how to do everything, right???? Of course not right! It's a steep learning curve, but if you put some effort into it, you'll be amazed at how well you can do.
Now, for Ulsan. Why do you feel it's too small? Is it that you haven't met many other foreigners? True story: When I came to Korea for the first time, I was about 45 minutes from downtown Ulsan...out near the airport. There were no other foreigners in my small town and it was one solid month before I saw or spoke with another foreigner.
But then I made one friend...and she introduced me to HER friends...and they introduced me to THEIR friends. Back in the day (1996) there were only about 70 or so foreigners in Ulsan and pretty soon I knew almost all of them. You've only been there for a week. Give it some time. Go for a walk, find out all your neighborhood has to offer. Then take a bus somewhere. Scary the first time, I know...but if you have your address written in Korean in your pocket along with 10,000 won, you can always get home by taxi.
Good luck and hang in there! It's well worth it!! |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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First, Ulsan has over 1 million people. That would make it a pretty large city in America or Canada. There are foreigner spots. Once you hit one or two, you're fine.
Second, culture shock is normal and frankly, you should be expecting. Even a seasoned traveler. It being a surprise shouldn't be a surprise.
Third, as for your hogwon, this is a good example of why people should do research. More than likelly they pulled the same thing with the last foreigner...or tried to. Talking to a current/former teacher is a MUST. You're traveling thousands of miles and putting your faith in someone or some business you know nothing about. There are times you do your research and there are still surprises. Make it known that while you are not inflexible, you took the job based on the main parts of your contract such as work hours, etc. Later on we can mutually agree to change some things but its a show of bad faith not to adhere to the contract from the start. |
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YTMND
Joined: 16 Jan 2012 Location: You're the man now dog!!
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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my hog won has changed many things they promised me including working hours,holiday and lunch time break,I have 20 mins instead of the promised hour. |
Now is the only time you have to negotiate something. Get everything ready to move out if need be or actually move it and then enter the school's office if you have reasonable demands.
1. working hours
What do you mean by this? You will not get an exact schedule every week. Public schools often follow a more rigid schedule, but even they make changes.
If you are in the school for 30 hours or less, you can't complain.
If you are in the school for 40 hours or less, you can complain but this alone won't get you far (especially if you agreed to it).
Next, you need to see when you are teaching. Are you teaching groups of 3 or 4 classes together or is it 1 class with a long wait? One day like this is ok, but if they do this all the time, then this is a fair complaint.
Are you working 4 or 5 days? A busier 4 day schedule gives you one day off. Use this for negotiating, "I will work this split shift on 1 day, but I won't on the other days."
So, what exactly is your schedule situation?
2. holiday and lunch time break
Again, you are being too vague. What specifically about holiday and lunch time break? How much of a holiday were you expecting, what are you getting so far? With just one week, don't expect much holiday time off now.
You will have to bite the bullet this time and remember not to sign a contract to work right before a major holiday. The school won't want to lose that time by paying you so early on to not work. Start a new school job AFTER a major holiday, not before.
Lesson learned.
As for a short lunch break, we need to know your schedule to determine what kind of break you really need. Are you coming in at 11am or do they actually have you teaching classes from 8am-12pm? Apply time off after you work, not before you work.
You work for them, then you take a break. I mean that really. You work for them, and then you take a break. Teach 4 classes in a row, and then take a break.
Really, truly, really, really. Do the work. Then take the break. If they don't like it, they come to you. You don't go to them. But do the work first. Really. It will work.
They will not punish you if you work and need a break because it will hurt their business. If you go to them before you work and ask for a longer break, then you haven't done anything for them, and they don't see you as an asset.
Business lesson 101, lesson learned. |
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fosterman
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Culture shock? |
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Jellybeanem wrote: |
This is my first week in Korea I'm living in Ulsan which I find a little too small and my hog won has changed many things they promised me including working hours,holiday and lunch time break,I have 20 mins instead of the promised hour.the contract is ambiguous so they have argued around it.
I have skipped stage one of culture shock I'm firmly in stage two.is this normal? or do I just hate my employer and city?
Also if I wanted to leave after 6 months would I still have to pay the air fair back? my contract says I do,but I've read in other places by law you don't have to pay back if you do six months? |
threaten to leave! say you know what, I don't need this job, I just came to korea for the fun and adventure, also It's not illegal for my to just pack up and leave tomorrow. which I will do if you don't give me what you promised now. so you had better change the schedule back to what you promised or tomorrow I will be on a bus to incheon, and you can spend more money with the recruiters and air tickets and find someone else. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:08 am Post subject: |
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ajuma wrote: |
Ok sweetie...take a deep breath and relax. Every school and every city has their good points and bad.
Let's tackle the work environment first. What exactly does your contract say, and how is the school getting around it? Are you working the number of hours/classes specified in the contract? Is a 20 minute lunch really a deal-breaker? Since you're only getting 20 minutes, does that mean you come in later or leave earlier?
Are you having a tough time dealing with the students? Could you use some suggestions on teaching and/or classroom management? Teaching ANYWHERE for the first time is a harrowing experience, even if it's in your own country. You're the teacher for heaven sakes. You're supposed to know how to do everything, right???? Of course not right! It's a steep learning curve, but if you put some effort into it, you'll be amazed at how well you can do.
Now, for Ulsan. Why do you feel it's too small? Is it that you haven't met many other foreigners? True story: When I came to Korea for the first time, I was about 45 minutes from downtown Ulsan...out near the airport. There were no other foreigners in my small town and it was one solid month before I saw or spoke with another foreigner.
But then I made one friend...and she introduced me to HER friends...and they introduced me to THEIR friends. Back in the day (1996) there were only about 70 or so foreigners in Ulsan and pretty soon I knew almost all of them. You've only been there for a week. Give it some time. Go for a walk, find out all your neighborhood has to offer. Then take a bus somewhere. Scary the first time, I know...but if you have your address written in Korean in your pocket along with 10,000 won, you can always get home by taxi.
Good luck and hang in there! It's well worth it!! |
Great post.
OP, listen to ajuma, she has been in Korea for a while and she knows what she is talking about. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Culture shock is normal. My first job was probably worse that what you have now. It took me a few months before I was comfortable.
Getting out and meeting people helps. |
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