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Anyone Live Here and Refuse to Drive?
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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:41 pm    Post subject: Anyone Live Here and Refuse to Drive? Reply with quote

I just can't do it. I don't understand all of the language to read all of the signs much less within 2 seconds driving past them. The roads are congested as hell. The drivers here are aggressive and scare the ---- out of me sometimes when I'm in the car with my wife. I just don't see me ever going through getting a license to drive and hit the roads in this country. I'm perfectly fine taking a bus or taxi or let my wife chauffeur me around.
I'm just wondering the percentage of people who are living here for 5 or more years if they bothered driving or are like me and won't drive.

I KNOW there are some of you who have a car/bike and your lives must be so much more convenient. I envy you, really. I just can't do it. Why risk it?
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chickenpie



Joined: 24 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live quite a way out of the traffic hell hole of Seoul so I don't mind driving, been driving for about five years and never had an accident.

If I was you I'd get a licence just to take the burden from your wife who has to drive you both every where you go.
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newb



Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're better off not owning motor vehicle in Seoul. I also live in a smaller city quiet away from Seoul with no traffic. It's extremely convenient in my case to own a car and go where I please without dealing with stares from bus crowds and taxi drivers.
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Harpeau



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been here for 13 years and don't drive. Seoul is just crazy!! Cycling down to the bicycle path is enough excitement for me. I do want to get an International License for when we travel abroad.
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Dodge7



Joined: 21 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just cant take all of the cutting you off in fast traffic and whizzing around cars. You have to have wits about you and always be two steps ahead of the other guy. Things are much more relaxed and slower speed back home. Yeah I do feel bad for my wife having to drive every where but I'm just not cut out for driving in Korea.
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No_hite_pls



Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like hiking and hate rural buses so a car is must have for me and my family. It opens up so more of the country. I can camp in areas where no one else will be around. It really helps my family and I to escape the crowds of the cities. Korea has wonderful highways outside of the cities which actually can be relaxing to drive. A car in Korea makes me happier.
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thatkidpercy



Joined: 05 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind it. I don't own a car but have driven in and around Seoul a few times and once I'd figured out what was different to what I'm used to it was fine. I usually cycle everywhere anyway (on the road) so being in a car actually makes me feel safer Laughing

A few tips which would have helped me in the beginning had I been told instead of having to work out by myself:

- You can turn right at most intersections even if the light is red. Obviously oncoming cars have the right of way, though. I actually don't know if this is legal but most drivers do it and will be upset if you don't.
- Even when you have a green light, when turning right you need to give way to pedestrians crossing.
- When you're turning left at an intersection, you must wait for the green light unless the junction is marked 비보호, in which case you can turn left whenever is safe. Again, oncoming traffic has right of way.
- Indicating is optional, and generally frowned upon (this one's not necessarily true, but certainly normal).
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Savant



Joined: 25 May 2007

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only drove in Jeju and even that stressed me out due to all the bad drivers there.

Right of way? In Korea, surely, it's whoever put their car in front first? That's what "right of way'' looks like to me.

Here's another tip from watching Korean drivers.

You seemingly can stop anywhere as long as you've got your hazard lights on.
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xhaktmtjdnf



Joined: 20 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Highway driving is fine, but be careful not to miss your off ramp or your in trouble. Now city driving in Seoul is not what I would call fun, but not that horrible. Changing lanes can be difficult with such thick traffic and sometimes other drivers will do strange things like trying to move over three lanes and turn all at the same time. Mostly its just slow and congested and hard to figure out where you want to turn sometimes with so much traffic. You simple have to drive like everyone else which means aggressively. I really don't drive in the city there's no where to park and it's just a lot more relaxing to use the bus and subway. However, it great to have a car when we go to the Emart or head out of the city.
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viciousdinosaur



Joined: 30 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an issue I've struggled with too. I can certainly afford a car, but I just can't seem to justify getting one. Because of traffic it's not any faster than taking PT. And it's just a whole world of stress I'd rather not have to deal with. You have to drive around for an hour looking for a parking spot. And then when you fill up. Ouch! When I see my buddies lay down 140,000 for a full tank I cringe. No thanks, delivery trucks, taxes, subways, buses. It's all good. The only bit that gets me is the status symbol thing. If people saw me rolling in a car they'd say "Yo, that guys got money", but because I'm rolling a bike, you know, doesn't exactly elicit compliments.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only time I like driving in Seoul is during Chuseok - it's feels like a whole 'nother city. lol
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dongjak



Joined: 30 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in Seoul and I drive. It is not as bad as it seems. As soon as you realize that no one follows the rules and no one gets upset if you break the rules, driving becomes much easier. Everyday I drive illegally onto the right hand side of oncoming traffic so I don't have to go 5 minutes out of my way to make a u-turn. No one cares, I've been driving for two years and have never gotten in an accident. Finding a house with parking sucks though.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An old blog post by Brendon Carr jumps to mind. The post was pretty good on giving a good reason on why not to drive in Korea.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090425085512/http://www.korealawblog.com/entry/why_i_dont_drive_in_korea_and_you_shouldnt_either/

Quote:

Why I Don�t Drive in Korea and You Shouldn�t Either

by Brendon Carr

I�ve been living here in Korea for more than a decade since I graduated law school, and during that time I haven�t driven a car.

Somehow I stumbled across the Korea Beat weblog, which features high-quality translations from the Korean press (apparently as a study aid for the blogger) and the occasional lurid cheesecake photo�thanks for that!�and read a translation that perfectly captures why I don�t drive. It�s definitely recommended reading.

Korea handles automobile accidents according to an odd �blame-sharing� concept whereby both parties are always deemed to have some fault in the accident. The usual apportionment is 60-40. What this means is that the driver who caused the accident bears 60% of the responsibility (and therefore cost), and the driver who simply got crashed into gets stuck with 40% of the responsibility on some cockamamie theory that had he not been operating a motor vehicle he would not have gotten into the accident. So the 60% driver pays 60% of the damages incurred by the driver he struck, but receives from the driver he struck an offsetting payment of 40% of the 60% driver�s damages.

This concept on liability is so different from what Westerners are accustomed to and expect that a foreign victim of an accident is usually stunned at the weirdness of it all.

We had a client and friend, an avid motorcyclist, who got himself struck by a bus�from behind, after the bus blew through a red light. Our friend was still deemed 20% responsible for the accident even though he spent weeks flat on his back laid up in the hospital, and had to pay the bus company some settlement for its damages (this was offset against what the bus company owed him, of course).

The translated article at Korea Beat notes one absurdity that follows from the blame-allocation method followed here. If a driver of an expensive car recklessly smashes into a driver of an affordable car, that 60-40 split usually means that the �guilty party� has much greater damages. Luxury autos here run about W100,000,000�if that car is totalled through its driver�s recklessness and stupidity, the victim would have to pony up W40,000,000 for repair costs. If the victim�s car is worth, say, W10,000,000 and is totalled, the luxury-car driver pays only W6,000,000 for those damages.

So the innocent driver gets his car totalled and receives a bill for W34,000,000 from the guy who hit him. If his insurance policy limit is less than this, the net result of the accident is cash out of pocket for the innocent driver.

Add to that the equally frightening concept of criminal responsibility in all cases of personal injury by vehicle (I might write more on this in the future), and I am absolutely not interested in getting behind the wheel of a car. My office is a W1900 (basic flagfall) fare from my home, so my daily commute cost is only five bucks anyway.

Here�s the business-lawyer twist at the end: One of the common benefits to expatriate managers here in Korea is a company-furnished car and driver. That seems extravagant to an outsider, and as a lawyer who handles a lot of employment matters I get asked about the car-and-driver demand all the time. In my opinion, Korean law makes a car and driver (and a big insurance policy limit!) a very good idea for anyone who can afford it. (In essence, that�s what I do with the short-to-mid-distance taxis.) The time that one loses in the case of an accident is potentially too much of a distraction from getting the job done.

And going to jail for a simple car accident is something totally unexpected to an expat. You can�t get much work done from jail.


Sometimes I would not mind driving here, just since taxis are not that expensive, I will stick with them for now.
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ethanshin



Joined: 28 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm definitely planning to get a license to drive around the country, especially outside of Seoul. Road trips are the shit in Korea. Well, if you are a Korean I guess...
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dairyairy



Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't met many teachers who own cars. Have you?
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