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Securing a job from abroad VS. Flying over and interviewing
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jargonscott



Joined: 11 Mar 2012

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:53 pm    Post subject: Securing a job from abroad VS. Flying over and interviewing Reply with quote

I apologize if this topic has already been thoroughly dissected. My attempts with the search engine weren't producing many results, so I figured I'd try to get some direct feedback. If you're able to link me to any related past threads, I'd appreciate it.

A bit about my situation:

I recently arrived back in the states after completing a contract in Saudi Arabia. After decompressing and traveling for a few months, I'm sifting through job opportunities again. I was actually planning on heading to Seoul last year before the KSA job fell in my lap. It was too lucrative/beneficial to turn down (especially since it was only 9 months), so I put Seoul on the back burner.

For the record, my credentials are nothing fancy:
BA Social Science, CELTA, over a decade of experience with youth in the teaching and social work realms (US, Canada, and Saudi Arabia), with great references all around (especially from McGill University, my last employer).

Other random bits: I'm male, 32 years old, healthy, US citizen.

I entertained the idea of just packing up my belongings, flying to Seoul, getting settled in, and then interviewing in person. I've been told that one will find better jobs that way. Due to the savings I've accumulated in KSA, I'd be fine living for months without any financial worries.

I have all of my visa-related documents updated and ready to go. My apostilled federal background check still has another 4 months before it is considered outdated. I even have a relatively professional looking self-promo video to include with my applications. Because I have everything in order, I'm tempted to just sift through jobs from abroad to see if I can get lucky like last year.

I understand that a lot of what's out there now is either: in the suburbs, poorly paid, has a terrible contract and/or school, etc... Since I'm not desperate or in any sort of rush, I know many recruiters aren't super eager to work with me. I know what I want, and I'm willing to wait for it.

That all being said, what's your opinion:

Is it worth it to hang out here and see what I can reel in from abroad or am I just wasting my time?

Do you feel I'll have a shot at a significantly better job if I fly over first
or would the difference negligible?

What are the pros and cons of flying over first (besides having to do the obvious visa run when I secure a job)?
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it worth it to hang out here and see what I can reel in from abroad or am I just wasting my time?


I think you would be wasting time. It's true that the job market in Korea does not vary as much as China (or Japan if you take into account being allowed multiple jobs), but with a country like Korea where E2 visa holders only have one employer under normal circumstances you need to make sure the school is what you want.

On the flip side, since you said you have funds, then it actually would make more sense to take any job offer and come to Korea that way. It's becoming easier to break contracts and get a new school when things turn bad at a school. We used to have restrictions where we had to work 9 months before going to another school. We had to get release letters. Now, we can get D10 visas and "look for work".

I would say if you come to China, you should find the school and visit the school before you sign the contract (too much variance with working and living conditions). If you go to Korea and you have the money, then use that money when things go bad. Even if you work at a bad school, they normally pay until the end or they try to skim off a little each month.

Either way, you'll get some money at least instead of using your savings.
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jargonscott



Joined: 11 Mar 2012

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info on the D10 visa. That's great news.
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amoonbot



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to make sure. The D-10 visa is only available to those who already have an E-2 visa.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

amoonbot wrote:
Just to make sure. The D-10 visa is only available to those who already have an E-2 visa.


Not true. It is for anybody who wants to transfer from one visa to another. Minaly work visas aka E-1, E-7. I think the D-10 can be applied for in other countries, but the requirements are a bit harder then for E-2s in country.
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YTMND



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think people misunderstood why I mentioned the D10. It may be true you can get it abroad, but I was suggesting a person go to Korea on an E2 and try to get the D10 if there are problems with the school later, if needed.

If you get a D10 first, you still have to pay for everything while you look for a school. Why do all that and apply for 2 visas if you can just go through the application process once for an E2? A tourist visa will give you plenty of time to find a job, but then we have the same problem regarding using your savings.

If you get the E2, you can earn money and keep your savings.
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jargonscott



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's how I originally understood it, but thanks for clarifying.
The existence of the D-10 takes some of the pressure off and ultimately makes me less focused on the need to fly over first. It's still a possibility, but at least I'm a bit more informed with some of options.

Thanks for your input. And if anyone else has some opinions, feel free to chime in.
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YTMND



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The existence of the D-10 takes some of the pressure off and ultimately makes me less focused on the need to fly over first.


I am not sure I understand that part. Being less focused means you will stay in your home country to find a job? Then I ask again, why get the D10 if you aren't going to fly over first?

It is possible that you will want to get the D10 after an E2 to allow you to leave the country and re-enter without needing all the paperwork again. However, initially, it makes no sense to get the D10 abroad unless you plan on coming immediately (relatively speaking) to Korea.
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jargonscott



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I think that's where the miscommunication is.
I'm NOT planning on getting the D-10 from abroad. I just like knowing it exists. Therefore, if I DO sign a contract from abroad, it's nice to know if the school winds up being horrible, I can apply for the D-10.

Previously, my motivation for flying over first was centered around locking into a good school from the get-go (not always the easiest task from abroad). I was originally assuming that if I signed with a sub-bar school from abroad, I'd have to tough it out for the whole year. The D-10 makes me less worried about that. Therefore, I'm less stressed about applying from overseas.

I still might come over on a tourist visa and job hunt. Maybe I'll get lucky and land something before I head over. I'm still fairly 50/50 on the whole thing. As I said before, I just appreciate knowing about the existence of the D-10.
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advantage of flying in then looking for work = you MIGHT reduce the risk of a crap job and/or crap housing.

Disadvantage(s) = :

i) not likely to get a better salary so you would be kissing away the value of the inbound airfare.

ii) the need for a visa run (the reason why you won't get more money by saving them the inbound airfare).

iii) Depending on circumstances, as a first time E2 applicant, you MAY need a consular interview in your home country before you can get a "first" visa.

iv) settlement costs while you are job hunting (hotel and restaurants) are yours to bear.

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jargonscott



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:


iii) Depending on circumstances, as a first time E2 applicant, you MAY need a consular interview in your home country before you can get a "first" visa.



Yeah I heard that once before. I just wasn't really sure what the odds were that I'd actually be sent back. Either way, it caused me to re-think the idea of just packing by bags and buying a plane ticket. Though I have plenty of money saved up, doing more than one trip across the Pacific seems like a waste.

ttompatz wrote:


iv) settlement costs while you are job hunting (hotel and restaurants) are yours to bear.



I'm willing to drop that money if it meant working/living in a substantially better environment. But if it's not likely to make much of a difference, I'm better off (financially) just applying from abroad. After all, my only real expenses here are food and rent. And when your friend let's you have the top floor of their house for $200/month, that's pretty hard to beat.
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YTMND



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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After all, my only real expenses here are food and rent. And when your friend let's you have the top floor of their house for $200/month, that's pretty hard to beat.


Another idea came to mind when I read this part. You could get your documents ready (at least in the process, started). However, go to Korea on a student visa. Since you say you have money and a cheap place to stay, you could study a bit (seems you are genuinely interested in Korea as opposed to Japan or China). Then, after getting a taste of the culture and language, you can better determine the kind of job you want. The CBC is good for 6 months, so a 4 month program would keep you well under it and you could start more in sync with the Korean school year which starts in March.
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jargonscott



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="YTMND"]
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You could get your documents ready (at least in the process, started). However, go to Korea on a student visa. Since you say you have money and a cheap place to stay, you could study a bit


a.) My documents are ready.

b.) My "cheap place to stay" is here (stateside).
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YTMND



Joined: 16 Jan 2012
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jargonscott wrote:
YTMND wrote:
You could get your documents ready (at least in the process, started). However, go to Korea on a student visa. Since you say you have money and a cheap place to stay, you could study a bit


a.) My documents are ready.

b.) My "cheap place to stay" is here (stateside).


Your comments baffle me. You want to go to Korea, but you tout a 200/month apartment in USA? You can get a 200/month place in Korea also.

I am sorry, we just aren't connecting.

I am trying to logically help you attain a job in Korea. When you bring up things other than those related to your "destination" then it confuses the listener. You will need to work on that if you plan on teaching students. I don't know how they do it in the Middle East, but I guarantee you, no one will understand you here.
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jargonscott



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:


I am sorry, we just aren't connecting.

I am trying to logically help you attain a job in Korea. When you bring up things other than those related to your "destination" then it confuses the listener. You will need to work on that if you plan on teaching students. I don't know how they do it in the Middle East, but I guarantee you, no one will understand you here.


The details about my current accommodations were to point out that I'm not in a rush. Cost of living is quite affordable here. That being said, cost of living isn't the only factor when it comes to deciding where I want to live and work. Perhaps we're not connecting. That's fine.

My original intentions with this thread was to get a list of pros and cons about flying over or applying from aboard. I never once asked for anyone to "logically help me attain a job in Korea". If I've been gainfully employed for the past 17 years, then I think I'm doing alright. All I wanted was a list of pros and cons concerning the two topics at hand. Sadly, threads in this forum (like many other message boards) often devolve into sarcastic, rude, and unhelpful replies. You've never met me, you've never sat in on any of my classes, you've never met any of my supervisors or students. Tossing out condescending remarks only further proves the internet is a bottomless toilet. If we aren't "connecting", please just move on to the next thread you feel compelled to post on. Obviously, your work here is done.
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