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Avoiding Immigration Approval--WHY?
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PolyChronic Time Girl



Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Location: Korea Exited

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:50 am    Post subject: Avoiding Immigration Approval--WHY? Reply with quote

How come these Korean bosses won't seek Immigration approval for you to work at a second location? What's the deal? Are they trying to avoid taxes or something?
My boss wanted me to work at a second location. I said sure, just get immigration approval first. He said no, just go. I told him no way. He still expected me to work at a second school because I need to earn my contracted hours. I repeated I will not work unitl he get's his lazy a** to immigration and approves it. He wouldn't and expected me to show up at the school even after I told him no.
Well guess, what? The second school expected me to be there, had students waiting for and hour and I didn't show up...didn't feel one ounce guilty even after the second school called and ranted to my director about how irresponsible and spoiled all foreign teachers are Rolling Eyes I'm sorry but I'm not going to risk fines/deporation for some slimeball director and more illegal money. Now the Korean teachers and even the foreign teachers are treating me like I have a stick up my butt because I refuse to work at a second location. Did the right thing right?
How come it's so difficult for these directors to drive five minutes to the Imm. office and get approval?


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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You did the right thing.

The director may be hiding something. The director may not want to spend any time and money on it "for you."
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prosodic



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You did the right thing.

You're right about the director being lazy, but the truth is that it is much more than five minutes of work for the director. I don't know exactly, but I've heard that there is a lot of paperwork involved and additional fees.

But don't quote me on that.
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Badmojo



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You did the right thing.

Let me get this straight. The Koreans are all up in arms about illegals, making documentaries about them, blaming them for substandard education and so on. Now when the wind changes, they're all up in arms about a foreigner trying to do things properly. TECO should add that to the letter to the Korean Herald.

PolyChronicTimeGirl, aren't you a little worried that this place might be none too interested in keeping you around or treating you well after you stood your ground on this issue?
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PolyChronic Time Girl



Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Location: Korea Exited

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Badmojo wrote:
You did the right thing.

Let me get this straight. The Koreans are all up in arms about illegals, making documentaries about them, blaming them for substandard education and so on. Now when the wind changes, they're all up in arms about a foreigner trying to do things properly. TECO should add that to the letter to the Korean Herald.

PolyChronicTimeGirl, aren't you a little worried that this place might be none too interested in keeping you around or treating you well after you stood your ground on this issue?


Yup, already giving me a hard time. I don't think they'll necessarily get rid of me (at least not yet). They need me more than I need them. It's too bad because I actually love my job (well, working with the students). I just hate the fact that they'll probably treat the next foreign teacher like crap because of my refusal.
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Teufelswacht



Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know the answer to your questions.

However, it may have something to do with you actually being able to see the contract he made with the other place - if there is one. If there isn't he can't get immigration approval for you.

If the other place refuses to sign a contract with his place he can't get immigration to approve you for the second job - if I understand the law correctly.

If there is one (contact that is) maybe he doesn't want you to see how much he is getting for pimping you out.

But, YOU DID THE RIGHT THING. STAND FIRM.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darned right you did the right thing!

Take it from someone who got busted because a shady hagwon owner told me "work or get out."

You definately did the right thing.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You definately did the right thing.
The cost is minimal (50,000 won I believe)
I dont think they need a contract with the second locale as one of my co-workers last year worked at a second school and did not have to sign any sort of agreement but they did get the stamp from immigration.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the school is not owned by your boss, then there's a fat chance you'll get approval (without a hefty bribe). He knows this.
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You did the right thing, it may come back to bite you later on, but hey, they aren't worth working for if it does. As for other FT's, ignore them, if they want to go work illegally and face possible arrest, then let them volunteer.
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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Avoiding Immigration Approval--WHY? Reply with quote

PolyChronic Time Girl wrote:
How come these Korean bosses won't seek Immigration approval for you to work at a second location? What's the deal? Are they trying to avoid taxes or something?
My boss wanted me to work at a second location. I said sure, just get immigration approval first. He said no, just go. I told him no way. He still expected me to work at a second school because I need to earn my contracted hours. I repeated I will not work unitl he get's his lazy a** to immigration and approves it. He wouldn't and expected me to show up at the school even after I told him no.
Well guess, what? The second school expected me to be there, had students waiting for and hour and I didn't show up...didn't feel one ounce guilty even after the second school called and ranted to my director about how irresponsible and spoiled all foreign teachers are Rolling Eyes I'm sorry but I'm not going to risk fines/deporation for some slimeball director and more illegal money. Now the Korean teachers and even the foreign teachers are treating me like I have a stick up my butt because I refuse to work at a second location. Did the right thing right?
How come it's so difficult for these directors to drive five minutes to the Imm. office and get approval?


You did the right thing. Ignore the korean teachers, stand your ground with the boss. The foreign teachers? Id take the ring leader shove him up against the wall, look him in the eyes and tell him to mind his own business if I were you and you were a guy.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PCTG, now that you are married, you might want to consider transferring your work sponsorship from school to your husband. Not that you can work a second job as a result but if they fire you or if you leave, you won't need a release letter.
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Teufelswacht



Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You definately did the right thing.
The cost is minimal (50,000 won I believe)
I dont think they need a contract with the second locale as one of my co-workers last year worked at a second school and did not have to sign any sort of agreement but they did get the stamp from immigration.


I guess different Immigration offices require different things. Wow, imagine that - a lack of consistency. Anyways, the office where I am definately requires the second contract and 60,000 Won. The process is very easy - but necessary.

PTG, if all foreigners were up on the law and stood firm, as you did, Directors would be forced to play it straight.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's my understanding that the immigrations offices are rather reluctant to give this permission. I'm not sure why that would be, but it's what I've heard.
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Teufelswacht



Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right

PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without getting sidetracked, one of the things that absolutely drives me up the proverbial wall is....................

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I dont think they need a contract


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definately requires the second contract


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The process is very easy


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immigrations offices are rather reluctant to give this permission




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you won't need a release letter.



(Some offices do require a release letter for F-2 holders - don't know about others.)



All of the above answers are correct!
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