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Immigration wants to know if I'm eligible for the F-4?

 
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akim6890



Joined: 20 Dec 2012

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:22 pm    Post subject: Immigration wants to know if I'm eligible for the F-4? Reply with quote

So I'm finally through this whole recruiting process and have a signed contract and everything. I'm waiting for my E2 visa code to be issued by immigration and I get an email from my recruiter asking me if I'm eligible for the F4 visa because "immigration wants to know." She also asked "Also, can you tell me the nationality and citizenship of your parents?"

Is this normal for immigration to ask? Why would they care about that if I'm in the process of getting an E2? I have uneasy feelings regarding the company I'm working for because of all the negative reviews on Dave's ESL and I'm wondering if this message actually came from immigration or if it came from corporate. When I spoke to someone from corporate earlier about my contract and mentioned I might get an F-4 visa once I'm in Korea, they said "be careful, immigration is really cracking down on males trying to get F4 visas these days." As vague as that sounds, the person could have been trying to be helpful but I wonder if they just really don't want me to get an F4 visa and now are wondering if they should hire me at all.

I've read things on Dave's about companies valuing their hold on you via the E2 visa and now my paranoia is kicking in.

Someone tell me that this is a normal question that immigration often asks and I haven't potentially wasted the last 5 months and hundreds of dollars on this damn recruiting process.


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akim6890



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To add, I'm a Korean American and yes, I am eligible to get an F4 visa but couldn't get my hands on the family registry so was planning on waiting till I moved over there.
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oppa637



Joined: 05 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being Korean American, it has been a pain to get my visa because of the family registry thing. So I don't think he's blowing hot air. They want to see if you can join the army =P
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akim6890



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So did they ask similar questions to you? It's annoying that it's not even for an F4... if they're going to check my family registry and find out I'm not on it, then they might as well just give me the F-4 visa instead. At the very least, I hope it doesn't take them too long to figure out I'm telling the truth and delay my departure any longer.
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leibod1



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not exactly sure, but I had been led to understand that you fill in the required paperwork and file it in Korea to receive an F4 visa, but I could be wrong. It may be the company, but it is true that immigration will ask these questions if they believe you to have Korean ethnicity, either via your name or application photo. Their purpose as the prior poster stated, is to see if you qualify for their military service. That being said, I would strongly advise you to check your family registry (hojuk) to make sure that your name is NOT on it, because if it is, military service is mandatory. As for how I know, let's just say, I'm on two day leave now, and have 9 months left.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

akim6890 wrote:

I have uneasy feelings regarding the company I'm working for because of all the negative reviews on Dave's ESL


If you have read negative reviews of the company then while are you planning on working for them? Do you think that you'll somehow be the exception to the rule? Maybe they'll treat you better than everyone else?

Anyway, if you don't tell them that your parents are from Korea, then how will they know? Maybe you suspect that your great grandfather came from Korea but you have no records and he never talked about it with your grandfather. The rest of your family is from some other Asian country (which explains your Asian appearance). How will they know?
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akim6890



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My last name is Kim. The middle name on my passport is a common Korean name.
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sligo



Joined: 15 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pain the arse or not to get the register, having an F visa from the start means you will avoid all the hoops E-2 visa hilders have to go through. No drug test, no blood tests, no medical, no criminal etc. They think because of where your parents come from, the sun will shine out of your arse.
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sml7285



Joined: 26 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

leibod1 wrote:
I am not exactly sure, but I had been led to understand that you fill in the required paperwork and file it in Korea to receive an F4 visa, but I could be wrong. It may be the company, but it is true that immigration will ask these questions if they believe you to have Korean ethnicity, either via your name or application photo. Their purpose as the prior poster stated, is to see if you qualify for their military service. That being said, I would strongly advise you to check your family registry (hojuk) to make sure that your name is NOT on it, because if it is, military service is mandatory. As for how I know, let's just say, I'm on two day leave now, and have 9 months left.


포상 휴가?

I'm out on leave too, 일차 휴가 - I'll just add that if you're trying to work in the ESL field, military service is definitely not worth it... if it's a corporate gig and you're listed in the hojuk - well dwell on it for a while. Military life is definitely tough, though more mentally and psychologically than physically. Definitely doable though. All up to the individual.
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akim6890



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been researching extensively on the laws regarding this and luckily it doesn't matter for me because I was born after my parents became US citizens. However, the laws have gotten much stricter regarding dual citizenship. It used to be that if you were born in the US and you weren't on the hojuk (family registry), military service isn't required due to automatic resignation of your Korean citizenship when you turn 22. After 2010 or 2011 though, even if your name isn't on the hojuk, you're still required to military service because you retain your Korean citizenship. So even if you don't speak any Korean, you've never been to Korea, and you and your parents are US citizens, you're still technically a Korean citizen and have dual citizenship. Lots of controversy but I guess that law is supposed to help Korean adoptees regain their citizenship because they apparently lose it automatically when adopted by foreign parents. I don't get it.
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Troglodyte



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

akim6890 wrote:
My last name is Kim. The middle name on my passport is a common Korean name.


But even if you do have a Korean name, how are they going to prove that your parents are from Korea? If you don't tell them, how can they link you to your parent and link them to their Korean identities - if you don't tell them?

You were born in a city in America. That's all your passport says. There is no genealogy listed there. How do they know that your parents were from Korea? Like I said, it could have been any of your ancestors. Maybe your great grand dad is from North Korea or was an ethnic Korean from China. Maybe your parents really like him so they gave you a traditional name to honor him. Who know? Your co-workers won't. Immigration certainly won't.
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akim6890



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Refer to my original post. It's not a matter of sweeping it under the rug; it's blatant lying since they've asked me the question. It's a good thing I didn't lie either because they also requested naturalization papers now.
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oppa637



Joined: 05 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just take care of it. It's not painful and your life will be vastly easier on an F4. Dont' take dual citizenship. Just be an american on an f4 visa.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like the recruiter is BSing you. My guess is that the recruiter is trying to find an easier way to get you in and working in Korea. Getting and F4 makes it a lot easier than going through the process of getting an E2.
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