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[kinship]

The past couple of years Korea has introduced some stricter non-smoking laws, some realistic, some unrealistic. The arguments for these vary and I for one do not accept most of them. I am not a believer of the second hand smoking studies and find their reasoning illogical and unreasonable if not non-factual.

One example used was of two Hollywood screenwriters who shared an office for 40 years. One was a smoker and one wasn't and the latter one died first. This brought many anti-smokers out declaring this was proof that the non-smoker died of second hand smoke. Of course, they do not think that old age played a role in his death.

That is just one of the things that bothers me about this fight over where people can smoke. I find that it is the non-smokers who are the most unreasonable in the whole debate. They will go to a restaurant or business, knowing its environment is not what they would want then jump up and down whining and complaining that they can't go there because of the smoke.

Of course, they refuse to go to a similar restaurant or business that doesn't have a smoking environment. It is kind of like a tourist who hates communism, goes to visit China knowing it is communist, then once there demand that the communists change their form of government to please them.

Quite childish. These non-smokers want to the restaurant to change to please them ignoring the fact that the majority of customers do not want the change.

Then what really gets me about some non-smokers is that they are cowardly. They hide behind their children to force their views upon others and I do not think that is right. The unrealistic thinking that permeates the non-smoking side of the discussion needs to be excised, as does the cowardly behavior.

As a non-smoker myself, I do not see why smoking has to be banned outdoors. It is just ludicrous to even suggest such a stupid idea.Those people who get bent out of shape about cigarette butts lying around have a deep problem they need to deal with and it is not dealt with by banning smoking outdoors

I also think that business owners should determine if they want smoking in their establishments or not. It is after all theirs, not the non-smokers, and they will see how their business is affected and can make changes as they see fit.

I would like to see non-smokers stop making it so difficult for smokers as I do not want to have to experience the backlash when smokers finally get some balls and say enough, then start to fight back. Freedom of choice does not mean freedom to force your views upon others and I know many non-smokers do not like religious groups forcing their ways upon them so why do they do it to smokers?

[edwardcatflap]

Yep, pretty much agree with all that. One little thing that bugs me about the whole debate is the way people always preface the argument by telling everyone whether they themselves are smokers or non smokers. It's irrelevant.

[crescent]

The troll has resorted to analogies now, rather than answer some questions on his brand of moralism.

[CentralCali]

[ttompatz]

[Squire]

I don't trust the science involved in second hand smoke studies. For a start it seems like a difficult thing to gather meaningful statistics on, and also an area where agendas would play a big part. When studies show the effects are practically harmless I suspect they could have been financed by tobacco companies, and studies that show second hand smoking to be almost as harmful as actual smoking seem a little too in line with government agendas. I could imagine any study downplaying the effects of second hand smoke being brushed under the carpet. Kind of like the IQ tests that guy did that found certain races to be more intelligent than others (according to IQ tests)

[repeatpete]

[quote="CentralCali"][quote="kinship"]The past couple of years Korea has introduced some stricter non-smoking laws, some realistic, some unrealistic. The arguments for these vary and I for one do not accept most of them. I am not a believer of the second hand smoking studies and find their reasoning illogical and unreasonable if not non-factual.[/quote]

What are your qualifications that make you more knowledgeable of the facts than actual scientists.[/quote]

A few comments;
'Unreasonable reasoning'.......check it out, kinship actually wrote that.

posts built around constructions such as; ...adjective, adjective 'if they are not' adjective...I for one..........as they see fit......

Doc T decided long ago that quantity compensates for quality in his posts. But his strategy of 'longer and longer posts than thou' is not argument, it is a torment to the English language.

Also, his point 'I don't believe in second hand smoking studies.'
Fine.
To manipulate what Jon Stewart recently said on another subject but which seems apropos; some people think smoking causes lung cancer and some don't, therefore, let's just teach the controversy.
But Kinship does believe in something which is supported by faith alone.
I don't mean the Bible by the way.
I am referring to his earlier defence of broken teaching contracts.
Ba doom, tshhh!

'illogical and unreasonable if they are not non-factual.'
More like drawn-out, trite and pompous.

Example; business owners should get to decide which laws they follow as it is their business. Yes. What could possibly go wrong with that plan? I for one enjoy punching people in the face so will do so as I see fit. It is, after all, my business and if customers don't like it etc etc.

to CentralCali; what are his qualifications? Well, clearly dr Thiessen is a real doctor (awarded online and recognising life experience) and can therefore write 'illogical and unreasonable if they are not non-factual.'

Yes.............. the mind which evacuated that is the one with the dexterity to dismiss medical research.

Finally; what does more damage to the English teaching profession in Korea?
1. Not being a moralist
2. Breaking contracts
3. Whining
4. Imbibing alcohol
5. Enjoying k-pop
6. Being a non-smoker
7. Experiencing awful legal problems
8. Being exposed to Kinship's writing

[Captain Corea]

The "Doctor" is getting odder and odder.

But yeah, the format and writing style is so very familiar.

[nicwr2002]

So going by this logic, then smoking isn't harmful even to the smoker?

[kinship]

[kinship]

[crescent]

Theissen, you ought to ask for your money back for that degree you downloaded.

[kinship]

[repeatpete]

The term 'infallible' is jarring when you try to use it in a scientific discussion.

I quote;
'If people want to defy the law, they have the ability to choose to do so. My comment had nothing to do with the American idea of freedoms.'

Is he is therefore referring to scientific laws like gravity? (For which there is no evidence apparently...)

I quote again;
'Your blind faith in medical research is your undoing. You have nothing to use to judge if they got it right or not.'

He's right. My uncle would have died had he not had a heart bypass. But I think equal credit must be given to the dream-catcher I put next to his bed. And the cavorting druid I hired. I have, literally, nothing to judge if any of those events got it right or not.

what's the greatest insult to writing in English?
Being edited by Dr Thiessen.

[nicwr2002]

Kinship is a person that loves to argue for argues sake. This person will come up with any kind of statements to defend his position. When this type person uses the argument of "Basing your facts on scientific studies is your undoing" and "where is your background in this topic" you know the person is just going to argue anything the opposing person throws at them. Even if an opposing person posts a respected and well put together article about the topic that also has excellent scientific evidence, the other person will still argue it as false.

Kinship is just a smoker that's angry because the smokers paradise of Korea is starting to go the way of the US and many other countries. I feel sorry for him to an extent, but to be honest even if there was no harmful side effects I don't want to smell it and have to wash my clothes every time I go out.

Now, I love to smoke cigars, but I do it in private and away from others. I don't want to subject them to strong smoke that cigars produce and subsequent smell that will definitely be in their clothes afterward.

I'm sure my response is waste of time, but I wanted to throw my two cents in as well.