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KiwiRob
Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Location: Wellington, New Zealand.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:40 pm Post subject: 1st year: Were you hired in or out of the country? |
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Just curious about how many teachers were hired outside of Korea their first year and how many flew over first then looked for work. Also If you were hired out of country how did you find your first work place experience. |
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KiwiRob
Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Location: Wellington, New Zealand.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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For the people who voted outside of country how did you find the job even though you couldn't have a look around and meet the workers first? |
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chrisblank
Joined: 14 Aug 2009 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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i answered an ad in the back of a travel magazine. the company was called Pacific Rim Recruiting. no e-mail, just an address in Calgary, i believe. there was virtually no internet in the ROK at that time. did the visa dance, then i was sent a plane ticket and a start date via courier.
i arrived at Kimpo airport (Incheon Airport was little more than an idea at that time) and was met by a bus driver who did not speak English. we drove to an apartment in Incheon where i was dropped off and given a note : "be ready Monday at 10:00". and that was it. on my own from Saturday morning until Monday.
no cell phone, no computer, no VCR, no food, no local money...just a black and white TV with a dozen channels.
Monday morning rolls around and get on the school bus and go to teach kindergarten. some students literally pissed themselves when i walked in the room. they had never seen a foreigner before. the second morning a boy actually pooped his pants when he saw me. he cried uncontrollably until mom came to get him. i never even said a word to him, i walked in the room, sat down and when he turned around he was just so completely shocked to see a foreign face that he dropped a load in his pants.
i was the only foreigner within three dongs. the closet was about a 15-30 minute maul bus ride away.
i was often left alone in a room with 16 4 year olds, screaming and running around. i ended up just playing with them most of the time as an actual class was impossible. but it was alright. i worked from 10 to about 7:30. no split shifts. very few students per class in the afternoon. each class lasted about 20 minutes, so prep time was minimal.
but money was tight: each month when payday came around i would notice things disappearing: one month i came to school and saw three large TVs were gone. the next the big air conditioners were gone. then the next month a big set of Disney books and tapes were gone. the place went bankrupt in the fall of '97 at the height of the "IMF" crisis. luckily for me the guy who bought it out was a decent business man.
he convinced me to stay on and that it would get better. at the end of '97 we had about 30 students at the school. 10 were elementary and 20 were pre-school. when i left the school in 2003 there were three different buildings: a kindergarten, an elementary school hogwon and and a middle school/high school hogwon with a total of about 500 students.
in the interim my salary more than doubled, my hours were cut by a third, i was able to take on part time classes for the city government and a nearby university. when it came time to move on my boss called the uni and spoke with the ugiwon director to make sure i got hired without a hitch.
i guess i found the job to be ok |
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KiwiRob
Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Location: Wellington, New Zealand.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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thank you Chris that was a good read glad to hear you stuck with it and things got better! |
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Threequalseven
Joined: 08 May 2012
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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It's pretty easy to find work from outside the country. Go to Dave's ESL Korean job board, find some ads that don't look sketchy, and start writing emails. When you get an interview, be sure to prepare questions for the person interviewing you. (Are they leaving, if so why, how is the director, etc) |
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KiwiRob
Joined: 05 Feb 2013 Location: Wellington, New Zealand.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Threequalseven wrote: |
It's pretty easy to find work from outside the country. Go to Dave's ESL Korean job board, find some ads that don't look sketchy, and start writing emails. When you get an interview, be sure to prepare questions for the person interviewing you. (Are they leaving, if so why, how is the director, etc) |
So is the person interviewing you the recruiter not someone that works for the company/school? |
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Threequalseven
Joined: 08 May 2012
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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For me, it was the teacher I replaced. I think this is often the case (for hagwons anyway). This was nice because I could ask him questions about the job. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Out of country, in 2001.
KiwiRob wrote: |
For the people who voted outside of country how did you find the job even though you couldn't have a look around and meet the workers first? |
I had applied at my university's career alumni center and expressed interest in working overseas. A recruiter got in touch with me and connected me with my first job.
I was 21 and picked a dumb major for getting work right after uni (English Lit) so I wasn't sweating the conditions. I never even looked at anything about teaching in Korea online until I started my second year. Obviously I wouldn't suggest people do this today but at the time I didn't think much of it. I figured I was going to be a teacher so I wanted to try my hand at it before doing the necessary additional uni courses, PRAXIS exams, etc.
Lucked out because one guy in town I made friends with had a positive outlook about Korea, and there were six foreign teachers so it wasn't boring. The school did rip us off by pimping us out around town but the staff weren't that bad.
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So is the person interviewing you the recruiter not someone that works for the company/school? |
I was interviewed by the academic director over the phone.
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:22 am Post subject: Re: 1st year: Were you hired in or out of the country? |
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KiwiRob wrote: |
Just curious about how many teachers were hired outside of Korea their first year and how many flew over first then looked for work. Also If you were hired out of country how did you find your first work place experience. |
You are aware that from 2007 until late 2010 that teachers didn't have the option to fly in and look for work because home country consular interviews were required for 1st time E2 applicants.
The LARGE majority of 1st time E2s are hired outside of the country and flown in at the school's expense.
(if you fly in and look for work you don't get the airfare back since they have to send you to Japan for an overnight stay to get your visa).
Most E2 applicants are hired through a recruiter / recruiting agency (the norm for jobs in Korea and China). The agency does a quick interview to make sure they an understand your English then sends you a list of jobs they have listings for.
Search yourself and you have access to perhaps 20-50 potential employers who may be able to actually READ your resume and perhaps can get you through the visa confirmation process (not always easy for 1st time applicants).
Use 20 recruiters and that number jumps up into the many hundreds or potentially over 1000 jobs, even if the employer himself doesn't speak English (lots of hagwan jobs, MOST private placement PS jobs and virtually ALL private K-12 jobs fall into this category).
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The problem lies in the fact that most people do NOT understand the role of the recruiter.
They are an introduction to a potential employer that you yourself would not otherwise be able to find. Then, if they are any good at their job, they guide you through the placement and assist with the paperwork necessary to get you as far as the employer.
They are NOT your friend.
They do NOT work for you (they are paid for and work for the employer).
They likely can't help you if the job turns to crap (other than be a sympathetic ear and shoulder to cry on)
They are like a used car salesman.
You walk onto their car-lot (website), peruse the cars (available jobs), if you see one you like you inquire about it.
After you listen to the sales pitch you let YOUR mechanic have a look at it (due diligence checking out the school).
If it is all good then you make the offer (accept the contract) and complete the sale (begin the paperwork for your visa application).
A good salesman will ensure that the paperwork is in order to make the sale and allow you to register the car. (A good recruiter will make sure your paperwork is in order and help get you through the paperwork to get your visa.)
I have no problem with using a recruiter or telling anyone else to use one (or more the case, many). They are your best option for fining the BEST fit when it comes to a job in Korea (or most of Asia for that matter).
For someone who is abroad, no connections and no ability to communicate in Korean then recruiters are a necessary evil.
That doesn't mean it is a crap shoot.
Beyond that it is YOUR responsibility to check the school out.
Do NOT trust ANY recruiter. They are like used car salesmen. They will lie and sell their soul to get the signature on the contract.
Do your own DUE DILLIGENCE in regards to the school or get burned.
Use the recruiters for what they are. Use more than one and keep going until you get what you want. There is no rush and there is certainly no shortage of jobs.
When it comes to the school - again - repeat - Do your own DUE DILLIGENCE.
1st - READ the contract over very carefully. If that doesn't scare you away then...
The best you can do is minimize the risk by talking to MORE THAN ONE of the foreign staff and ask POINTED AND SPECIFIC QUESTIONS (*when the boss is NOT listening over their shoulder). Don't accept non-specific answers and broad generalizations.
No foreign staff references to talk (directly and via e-mail) to = walk away now.
Accept NO EXCUSES for any reason.
ONE CAVEAT: if it is a public school there may not be a Native English Speaker to talk to but there is a chain of command OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL (your POE liaison) if you have problems and they are more strict in following the terms of the contract. |
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