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BroodingSea
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
Location: North Shields
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 Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:00 am Post subject: Are they there? 'The 5-Conditions' |
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University Jobs - satisfying the big 5...
1. 12 hours per week teaching
2. Monday - Friday
3. 3 million won salary
4. Airfare & Apartment paid
5. 3 million won salary base
Are they available? Realistic expectations? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Are they there? 'The 5-Conditions' |
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| BroodingSea wrote: |
University Jobs - satisfying the big 5...
1. 12 hours per week teaching
2. Monday - Friday
3. 3 million won salary
4. Airfare & Apartment paid
5. 3 million won salary base
Are they available? Realistic expectations? |
Related MA / PhD, published and presented? Sure.
BA (or unrelated MA) and a TEFL = not likely.
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| What's the difference between 3 and 5? |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| What's the difference between 3 and 5? |
^ Yeah, what he said. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:57 am Post subject: |
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You mentioned having a Ph.D in another thread and I just don't think that will get you more money or put you at an advantage.
Most Korean universities aren't sure how to regard foreign teachers with doctorates. Just take a quick glance at the university job postings and 99% of them only state salary scales for B.A. or M.A. holders. This is because universities here have no salary scale or rank for foreign doctoral holders. In fact, the very few people with doctorates whom I've worked with have been regarded in the same way as those with B.A. and M.A. degrees in terms of salary, job title and being on a limited term contract.
Frankly, you've lost your f@cking mind if you're planning on doing a doctorate just to teach EFL as a contract instructor at a Korean university.
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Dog Soldier
Joined: 29 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:09 am Post subject: |
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The uni I work at (outside of Seoul, but still in a small/medium sized city) pays 2.7 for 12 hours a week (4 days) for masters qualified with about 4 months off a year.
No airfare as they only employ those in country and accommodation provided, no stipend option. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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overall, nope because nobody is paying airfare anymore
Housing, some are giving small housing allowances (I get 400k/month) but those are few and far between
The number of univs that even get you to 3 mill with housing I can count on my hands.
Contact hours are also going up because in addition to say 12 hours of actual teaching many univs are requiring you to spend 3-4 hours/week in their "English Lounges"if not also teaching non-credit classes
Finally the amount of Korean supervision/standardization of foreign teachers has increased dramatically. A number of univs are making teachers teach a standardized curriculum developed without their input, requiring standardized testing etc. The days of the univ teacher being free to design their own curriculum etc and do some really innovative things is starting to fall by the wayside
The one decent thing (for now) is the vacation is still there for many of the schools but we are waiting for that shoe to drop. My money says in 5 years you will see either vacations going partially unpaid or a desk warming requirement be put in |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| overall, nope because nobody is paying airfare anymore |
Did unis in Korea ever offer airfare? I've been here since '01 and been teaching uni since '05 and I've never heard of unis offering airfare to foreign teacher. In-country hires have always been the norm, meaning no need to pay airfare, for as long as I've been aware.
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| Contact hours are also going up because in addition to say 12 hours of actual teaching many univs are requiring you to spend 3-4 hours/week in their "English Lounges"if not also teaching non-credit classes |
My school may be the exception that proves the rule, but our contact hours have actually been cut from 20 to 14 per week with no change in salary. Rumor has it, though, that this was done so that we could continue to be considered part-time for pension purposes and be kept in the private pension system instead of the public pension system.
I'd agree with everything else that's been said, though. On the whole conditions at Korean unis for foreign seem pretty stagnant if not deteriorating. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| hogwonguy1979 wrote: |
| The one decent thing (for now) is the vacation is still there for many of the schools but we are waiting for that shoe to drop. My money says in 5 years you will see either vacations going partially unpaid or a desk warming requirement be put in |
Force me to use an assigned textbook and follow a set curriculum; take away my autonomy in the classroom - I can grudgingly manage. Ask me to teach 15 hours a week instead of the 10 or 12 we used to. Yeah, I can do that.
But take away my summer and winter vacations? That's a major deal breaker right there. If that happens, then it's time to look for the exit doors. Maybe find a university in China. Pay is lower but people I know are still getting lots of time off during the summer and winter breaks.
And they're getting free housing included in their contracts.
China has become the new Korea for Asian EFL. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| 1. 12 hours per week teaching |
With related MA or PhD, sure
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| 2. Monday - Friday |
Lots of places offer this.
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| 3. 3 million won salary |
Not common and requires actual qualifications and relevant experience.
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| 4. Airfare & Apartment paid |
Universities have rarely offered airfare as they prefer to hire locally. Most Universities do not offer housing but many offer a housing allowance of some sort.
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| 5. 3 million won salary base |
See no. 3 |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Are they there? 'The 5-Conditions' |
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| BroodingSea wrote: |
University Jobs - satisfying the big 5...
1. 12 hours per week teaching |
Yes.
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| 2. Monday - Friday |
Yes.
| BroodingSea wrote: |
| 3. 3 million won salary |
Yes.
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| 4. Airfare & Apartment paid |
Yes for housing - no for airfare. However my uni makes up for it with other generous cash incentives.
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| 5. 3 million won salary base |
Yes+. (see 3 above)
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| Are they available? Realistic expectations? |
If you're to believe many of the so called experts on here - definitely not. However, get to know some current uni guys and you will find the opposite.  |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Jodami, in all honesty, those of us who worked University jobs and post here are still in contact with people working in Universities in Korea.
Simple question of having a personal and professional network and of keeping current. |
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