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mb1
Joined: 17 Feb 2013
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 Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:33 pm Post subject: MANDATORY HIV TESTING - We are still looking for testimonies |
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For those of you who don't know, we are collecting testimonies from those that have had to take a mandatory HIV test for their visa. Please see below.
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MINBYUN � Lawyers for a Democratic Society is currently seeking testimonies from those that have been subjected to mandatory HIV testing in order to receive or renew an E2 visa.
The Korean Government has yet to explain the link between classroom teaching and HIV infection, require that Korean nationals with the same employment undergo testing, or provide any official data to support a link between sex crimes and E2 visa holders. Due to the discriminatory nature of the testing and under the premise that it is in violation with Korea�s commitment to the UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination, we will be sending a letter of allegation to the UN Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination and xenophobia and related intolerance.
If you are interested in giving your testimony please send the following information to [email protected] by February 23, 2013.
Name:
Age:
Nationality:
Date of the incident(s):
Location(city, state, and if possible, district(gu)) of the incident(s):
Date and length of contract(s):
Details such as the following:
-If you were allowed to choose the hospital where you were tested
-If the hospital staff communicated with you in English or if you needed a translator
-If you were provided with any education or training on the prevention of HIV
-If you ever felt mistreated or harassed related to HIV/AIDS in the workplace
-If you were pressured to take the test more than once within a year
-If your results were reported directly to you or through an employee at your school, the immigration office, or the MOE
-If you feel that your test results resulted in harassment or termination
-If you refused to be tested and subsequently were denied a visa or terminated
Please provide us with a way to contact you for further details. Depending on the amount of replies we may not be able to contact everyone who responds, but we will follow up with those that will be included in the report.*
Thank you.
http://minbyun.org/english/archives/540
*All trolls will be ignored. :!: |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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And somehow that entitles you to spam the same message repeatedly?
Do you provide eggs with that spam?
For those of us who do know you and TROLLs of your ilk....
Your organization (MINBYUN) has, numerous times in the past, gone so far as to promote protests and incite riots (throughout the summers of 2002 and 2008 AS PRIME EXAMPLES) that endangered the safety and indeed the very lives of foreigners in Korea just because they were foreigners.
Your rhetoric boiled down to "foreigners are bad - get rid of them" and WE repeatedly paid the price for it.
Your previous rhetoric has shown you for what you are; radical nationalists who blatantly disregard the rights, safety and lives of the foreigners living in Korea in your zest for protection from the "foreign devils" and nationalistic pride.
Why would any foreigner in their right mind fill in your survey/"testimonies" and give you the opportunity to pillorize us again over this?
Can we expect diatribes, continued nationalistic rhetoric and indeed your sponsorship of "candle light vigils" (that turn into riots) this summer to rid Korea of the "disease infected foreigners" even though, unlike Koreans, we must prove (by medical testing) to be disease free?
You and your nationalistic organization should join ranks with rest of the "anti English Spectrum" nationalists and all burn in Hades for falsely presenting yourselves as open minded Koreans in a modern era.
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNjgzzmMYu8
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And somehow that entitles you to spam the same message repeatedly?
Do you provide eggs with that spam?
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^ Happy to oblige! 
I heard this video is also in the EPIK traning prog now too.
Worth watching - just skip through the first 10 seconds! |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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What's so bad about asking for an HIV test?
I don't see the problem with this. |
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joeteacher
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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What's so bad about asking for an HIV test?
I don't see the problem with this. |
Many don't have a problem with the test itself. Many have a problem with the fact that only NETs get tested, not the KTs. That's my problem anyway. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Many don't have a problem with the test itself. Many have a problem with the fact that only NETs get tested, not the KTs. That's my problem anyway. |
Then we're the lucky one's to know for sure that we don't have AIDS (well for a couple of days anyway!)
Korea has a huge hidden AIDS problem - It would be very un-Korean to expose it! |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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I think HIV testing is a good thing.
It's the job of government to make efforts to protect public health. |
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yfb
Joined: 29 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| Paddycakes wrote: |
What's so bad about asking for an HIV test?
I don't see the problem with this. |
I'll just quote from here: http://www.expathell.com/?p=4111
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And then we have HIV testing, which actually borders on the violation of a person�s human rights. Not because the test itself is a violation, but because the test is only applied to SOME people and not EVERYONE. The practice of teaching and the transmission of HIV are two totally separate entities. There is no correlation between the act of teaching, and the transmission of HIV from carrier to receiver. And yet parent groups were all up in arms about how foreign teachers should be forced to endure the humiliation of undergoing HIV testing once a year. This only illustrates how massively ignorant Korean adults can be, and how even basic health classes fail to address important social issues like sexually transmitted diseases. They actually still believe, in 2012, that HIV can be transmitted from teacher to student via a handshake or a cough.
A person�s HIV status bares no relation whatsoever to their status as a worker. Furthermore, Korea�s strong culture of denial is encouraging HIV testing among the wrong demographic while ignoring those who are most at risk. Since Korea chooses to keep its actual HIV infection statistics and data largely out of the public domain, nobody knows for sure about the dynamics of HIV transmission among the Korean populace. A doctor friend related to me that there are two primary groups of HIV carriers making visits to her hospital; Korean men who sleep with other men and sometimes travel abroad to sleep with other men (and deny it), and Chinese people of Korean ancestry who contracted the virus either via selling blood plasma in China under unsanitary conditions, or via injecting drugs in China prior to immigrating to Korea either legally or illegally.
The other groups of infected individuals (prostitutes, wives of bi-sexual Korean men, wives of Korean men who have sex with other men, those who have injected drugs abroad, and the small minority of men who have contracted the virus from a female, who contracted the virus from one of the previously mentioned demographics) are so small that they are likely to be in the single or very low double digits.
A very simple study by a capable researcher with access to Korea�s actual HIV data would quickly conclude that very few members of the infected groups come into regular contact with foreign EFL teachers. Further research would certainly reveal that of those Korean nationals who test positive for HIV, none of them contracted it while sitting in an English classroom somewhere. The HIV tests are not applied to lawyers, bankers or exchange students. They are not applied to foreign professionals who transfer to Korea for cushy expat jobs. They are not applied to embassy staff, or journalists or tourists or researchers or graduate students or religious missionaries or actors or singers. HIV tests are not even given to Korean adults who work in schools teaching Korean children. What this implies is that ethnic minorities engaged in teaching are considered unsavory and despite the possibility of having resided in Korea for years, are still (and falsely) assumed to be in a higher risk group than the local populace, the infected of whom it would seem have all magically contracted the virus via means outside of their control.
HIV testing in Korea is applied to one segment of the population, while overlooking nearly every other statistically significant risk factor. There are no testing or education campaigns aimed at youth or men who engage in sex with other men. Korea ignores these higher risk groups entirely and focuses it�s attention instead on EFL teachers, whom as a whole comprise a statistically insignificant risk group. This is what America did when the HIV outbreak began; they focused their attention largely on groups of people who were not at significant risk for contracting the virus, while ignoring those who were. That was 1980′s America. The HIV testing of EFL instructors is not meant to protect children at all, it serves only to humiliate and control a segment of the population that makes a convenient scape goat. Korea fields over 6 million tourists a year, many from countries where HIV prevalence is higher than in America or Canada. By contrast, Korea issues some 10-13,000 E2 teaching visas a year, and yet intense attention and resources are expended putting these applicants through HIV and drug tests. Frankly, if Korea has an HIV �problem�, it�s likely not related to an influx of 22 year old, college educated White kids coming from countries that are richer than Korea, with more advanced healthcare systems and disease prevention campaigns in place.
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Ranman
Joined: 18 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| It's the job of government to make efforts to protect public health. |
Then I'd like to know what the South Korean government is doing to promote safe sex, because the STD infection rate is kind of ridiculous over here. They don't wrap it up. Hepatitis-B is a big problem over here. |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| Ranman wrote: |
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| It's the job of government to make efforts to protect public health. |
Then I'd like to know what the South Korean government is doing to promote safe sex, because the STD infection rate is kind of ridiculous over here. They don't wrap it up. Hepatitis-B is a big problem over here. |
I'm not a spokesperson for the government. I just think it's good that testing happens.
How they test and who they wish to test is entirely their own business. It's their country you see. Koreans do things their way. I don't have a problem with it.
I don't engage in risky activity. Therefore it's not a big concern to me. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:24 am Post subject: |
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I do not think the test is a big deal, it's not harmful and actually does serve a public health purpose. So the Koreans are not smart enough to get tested. big deal.
the Op'S ad for a lawyer group
I know nothing about the MB. but boys and girls we should all be wary of giving out ANY information over the internet. Something smell rotten! |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
And somehow that entitles you to spam the same message repeatedly?
Do you provide eggs with that spam?
For those of us who do know you and TROLLs of your ilk....
Your organization (MINBYUN) has, numerous times in the past, gone so far as to promote protests and incite riots (throughout the summers of 2002 and 2008 AS PRIME EXAMPLES) that endangered the safety and indeed the very lives of foreigners in Korea just because they were foreigners.
Your rhetoric boiled down to "foreigners are bad - get rid of them" and WE repeatedly paid the price for it.
Your previous rhetoric has shown you for what you are; radical nationalists who blatantly disregard the rights, safety and lives of the foreigners living in Korea in your zest for protection from the "foreign devils" and nationalistic pride.
Why would any foreigner in their right mind fill in your survey/"testimonies" and give you the opportunity to pillorize us again over this?
Can we expect diatribes, continued nationalistic rhetoric and indeed your sponsorship of "candle light vigils" (that turn into riots) this summer to rid Korea of the "disease infected foreigners" even though, unlike Koreans, we must prove (by medical testing) to be disease free?
You and your nationalistic organization should join ranks with rest of the "anti English Spectrum" nationalists and all burn in Hades for falsely presenting yourselves as open minded Koreans in a modern era.
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Wait a minute...
This guy is coming on here, pretending to help foreign teachers, but in reality just looking to get personal information to harass them? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Newbie wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
And somehow that entitles you to spam the same message repeatedly?
Do you provide eggs with that spam?
For those of us who do know you and TROLLs of your ilk....
Your organization (MINBYUN) has, numerous times in the past, gone so far as to promote protests and incite riots (throughout the summers of 2002 and 2008 AS PRIME EXAMPLES) that endangered the safety and indeed the very lives of foreigners in Korea just because they were foreigners.
Your rhetoric boiled down to "foreigners are bad - get rid of them" and WE repeatedly paid the price for it.
Your previous rhetoric has shown you for what you are; radical nationalists who blatantly disregard the rights, safety and lives of the foreigners living in Korea in your zest for protection from the "foreign devils" and nationalistic pride.
Why would any foreigner in their right mind fill in your survey/"testimonies" and give you the opportunity to pillorize us again over this?
Can we expect diatribes, continued nationalistic rhetoric and indeed your sponsorship of "candle light vigils" (that turn into riots) this summer to rid Korea of the "disease infected foreigners" even though, unlike Koreans, we must prove (by medical testing) to be disease free?
You and your nationalistic organization should join ranks with rest of the "anti English Spectrum" nationalists and all burn in Hades for falsely presenting yourselves as open minded Koreans in a modern era.
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Wait a minute...
This guy is coming on here, pretending to help foreign teachers, but in reality just looking to get personal information to harass them? |
It has been their history.
I don't think the leopard has changed its spots.
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Knucklehead
Joined: 06 Jan 2008
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| Wow, if ttompatz, probably the most respected member here, is pissed off at the op's shennannigans, then they must be pretty dodgy. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah Ttompatz is straight up and i trust him on this.
Hmm how many legitimate groups would suddenly go to a forum and just start asking for information. I mean wouldnt they direct you to a website that would explain theie mission and plans, not just start off fishing for information.
Suddently there are several threads on this issue and now this spamming.
Someone has an agenda and i doubt if it is helping NETs. |
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