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steve902
Joined: 29 Dec 2012
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 Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:43 pm Post subject: Does anyone actually give notice to hagwons when leaving? |
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It seems as though the contract provisions hagwon owners write into contracts actually make it more likely that people will quit without giving notice. If someone could give notice and have a reasonable termination (as in the USA), they would be likely give notice once they are prepping to leave a job. However, requiring money for airfare, 2 months of no pay, continued payment for the apartment, etc. seem like they force a person who needs to leave to do so without giving notice.
Has anyone had a hagwon owner ever chase after them for the money for those contract provisions after leaving Korea? Has anyone ever had a lawsuit started against them if they came back to Korea after doing a runner? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone actually give notice to hagwons when leaving |
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| steve902 wrote: |
It seems as though the contract provisions hagwon owners write into contracts actually make it more likely that people will quit without giving notice. If someone could give notice and have a reasonable termination (as in the USA), they would be likely give notice once they are prepping to leave a job. However, requiring money for airfare, 2 months of no pay, continued payment for the apartment, etc. seem like they force a person who needs to leave to do so without giving notice.
Has anyone had a hagwon owner ever chase after them for the money for those contract provisions after leaving Korea? Has anyone ever had a lawsuit started against them if they came back to Korea after doing a runner? |
No, they can't chase you outside of Korea (no court of competent jurisdiction) and Korean court awards are not enforceable outside of Korea
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NO, there has NEVER, in a Korean court of competent jurisdiction, been a successful lawsuit against an employee for breach of a labor contract.
(truth is, I have never (and I searched extensively after being challenged previously on this issue) been able to even find a lawsuit filed never mind a case of an employee losing).
It is also worthy of note here that a labor contract, unlike other general contracts, is explicitly defined in and limited by the various labor acts including the labor standards act.
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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I think notice is the polite thing to do....................
A nice text message from Incheon Airport  |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:14 am Post subject: |
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I told my hagwon in November that I wanted to take a uni job in March, leaving the contract early. I emphasized the fact that I would find a replacement (it was a great job, so one of my friends jumped at the chance,) and that my boss would save money on severance and flight money.
Many hagwons are crappy, though, and I can understand why people would be hesitant to give notice. I think that when someone rents their own apartment, it does make life a lot easier, with regard to being afraid of being homeless after giving notice. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone actually give notice to hagwons when leaving |
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| steve902 wrote: |
| Has anyone had a hagwon owner ever chase after them for the money for those contract provisions after leaving Korea? Has anyone ever had a lawsuit started against them if they came back to Korea after doing a runner? |
I haven't had to pay any money yet, but government agents at Incheon Airport usually detain me because my former employer (Wonderland) reported me to the police for not paying unemployment, which I didn't even have to pay as a worker on an E-2 visa. |
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crimsonnight
Joined: 18 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| I gave a two month notice and they were fine with it until they couldn't find a replacement and they tried to make me stay an extra two (!) months. When I didn't agree, they gave me an awful reference, made my life hell, and I left the country when my two months was up. |
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NQ
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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If you quit a Hogwon (or any school early for that matter) early, will you have trouble getting a new teaching job if you come back to Korea?
EDIT: I'm just wondering because they always seem to ask you on the questionnaire you fill out if you've ever broken a contract previously. I guess you could lie and say no, but can they find out? If you don't lie, can this hinder you anyway? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| NQ wrote: |
If you quit a Hogwon (or any school early for that matter) early, will you have trouble getting a new teaching job if you come back to Korea?
EDIT: I'm just wondering because they always seem to ask you on the questionnaire you fill out if you've ever broken a contract previously. I guess you could lie and say no, but can they find out? If you don't lie, can this hinder you anyway? |
If you lie on your resume or interview with a hagwon it largely won't matter.
If you lie to EPIK/GEPIK it can come back to haunt you (grounds for termination under the civil service act among other things).
If you like on the visa application for at the consulate, they can and do check for previous visas. Visa fraud is never a good idea.
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TheFoodie
Joined: 18 Jan 2010
Location: Ebay Central
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| Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone actually give notice to hagwons when leaving |
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| steve902 wrote: |
It seems as though the contract provisions hagwon owners write into contracts actually make it more likely that people will quit without giving notice. If someone could give notice and have a reasonable termination (as in the USA), they would be likely give notice once they are prepping to leave a job. However, requiring money for airfare, 2 months of no pay, continued payment for the apartment, etc. seem like they force a person who needs to leave to do so without giving notice.
Has anyone had a hagwon owner ever chase after them for the money for those contract provisions after leaving Korea? Has anyone ever had a lawsuit started against them if they came back to Korea after doing a runner? |
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:17 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone actually give notice to hagwons when leaving |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
No, they can't chase you outside of Korea (no court of competent jurisdiction) and Korean court awards are not enforceable outside of Korea |
If you submit a request to the court in another jurisdiction to recognize the Korea judgement, it is certainly possible to enforce the judgement abroad.
Its not like a Hagwon director is going to fly to wherever over a small judgement and be smart enough to actually do the type of legal work involved, but it certainly is possible. |
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