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What do they expect from foreign teachers?
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sistersarah



Joined: 03 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:06 pm    Post subject: What do they expect from foreign teachers? Reply with quote

i'm confused. i'm the only foreign teacher at my hogwan -- plenty of korean teachers (there are other subjects taught). when i walk around the school (2 floors) and do my photocopying (in the hallway) i have a good view and i can hear all the classes going on. most of the time, the kids are bent over their desks, writing or reading frantically. this, or the teacher is screaming at one or several students. i've even witnessed a couple students being smacked on the hands. the classes don't look remotely interesting and the students are very silent.

so my class. i've been trying to keep things interesting for them, with new exercises and review type games in addition to our lessons. this is the only way i can keep their attention. frankly speaking, if i tried the teaching methods the korean teachers used, i don't think i would get anywhere....the kids would ignore me.

i guess i was just thinking about how teaching methods differ from korean teachers and foreign teachers and if i'm doing the right thing. i've asked my boss if there has been any complaints, and she said, no, none at all.
it just seems like such a contrast from my class to the others. am i supposed to be the "fun" class?
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JacktheCat



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember, always, remember ... you are not being paid to teach, you are being paid to be a white face. Your employers could care less what you actually do in the classroom. As long as the parents are happy, they are happy.

Sad but true. You either learn to accept that fact and try to be the best teacher you can, even though that is not expected of you, or you can come here to Dave's and post inane things about how bad Korea is.

Sometimes I feel like I am actually pulling a fast one by my employers, doing a good job teaching the little muchkins. I care about my teaching. In the end, that's all that really matters.
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adventureman



Joined: 18 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sistersarah



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Im honestly surprised that it has taken this long for you to finally wake up to the fact that we are not taken even a fraction as seriously as our Korean counterparts by the children and teaching English here is a joke for the most part


well, i guess i knew it, but it just never stops amazing me -- and bothering me on certain days. i guess because since i'm here anyway, heck, maybe i could teach the kids something. but every time i go to my director with a suggestion or question, the answer is always, well, it's a good idea, but impossible. or, well, but, umm...in the korean teachers' class, they're studying this, so that is why.....bla bla bla. i don't like not being taken seriously.

yes, lately, the paycheque has been a big motivater.
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prosodic



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use the search function and look up "edutainment."
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PatrickSiheung



Joined: 21 May 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At first I too was kinda insulted that I wasn't taken seriously as a teacher. I had already been teaching in Canada for about 5 years and I thought I knew my job well. But after a while, the lack of pressure made it more enjoyable. I think of it this way...

The Korean teachers are here to teach English and I am here to help the kids enjoy it.

Both jobs are equally important. If all teachers, Korean and foreign alike, were constantly drilling the English language into the kids, chances are they will stop caring and maybe even develop an aversion to English.
As a foreigner with less expectations placed upon me, I'm in a position to make English interesting for some kids.

I mean, they're kids... they're NOT going to learn the language overnight.
If you stop concentrating on getting through this or that chapter before the end of the week and start to make it interesting for them, it will ensure that they will continue with English perhaps for the rest of their lives. That, to me, is a bigger accomplishment than helping little Johnny or Janey memorize a list of vocabulary.

This is a freedom the Korean teachers do not enjoy. If you ask me, we're lucky Smile
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JacktheCat



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least I am used to not being taken seriously.

I look like a pasty-white, fresh-out of college 21 year old American who has never left their home town, let alone their country before. People think, noway can I be a 30 year world weary world traveller.

Being not taken seriously as a teacher is just yet another in my life.
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Eazy_E



Joined: 30 Oct 2003
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The language barrier helps me out big-time. My WJN doesn't speak English and can only give me the most simple of instructions. She doesn't ask any questions and never comments on my teaching, positively or negatively. I'm free to do whatever I want with no repercussions. Contrast this with the Korean teacher, who is at the beck and call of both the parents and the boss. She has certain demands, like finish this chapter by a certain date, prepare a new test, etc. etc.

Despite my lack of obligations, I try hard and I think it's important to make sure the kids have fun with English, like some previous posters said. That's probably the most positive impact that foreign teachers can have.
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PatrickSiheung



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The name's PatrickSiheung... and glad you agree lol
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Homer
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your employers could care less what you actually do in the classroom. As long as the parents are happy, they are happy


This might be true at some hakwons but it is not true at many others where the boss does care about teaching.

Also, if a person see's themselves as a clown and their job as a joke then chances are that is exactly what they will be.

Teaching depends a lot on what the teacher puts into his classes as far as effort and energy.
This holds true teaching anywhere. Bad bosses are also present everywhere, each with their sets of problems.
Teaching back home in schools in certain areas where funding is low and the students are mostly poor is also a challenge.
A teacher there saying " there are no ressources so why should I bother" is the same as a teacher here saying "it is all a big joke so I will goof around".
Both are not trying.

Respect is also something that needs to earned.

As for teaching methods, if it works and the kids are learning then its all good.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JacktheCat wrote:

I look like a pasty-white, fresh-out of college 21 year old American who has never left their home town, let alone their country before.



Hey, I was 22 (and 23 days!) when I got here!!!

And I'll have you know, I went to Canada too!
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Alias



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:

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Also, if a person see's themselves as a clown and their job as a joke then chances are that is exactly what they will be.


I don't see myself as a clown. My students do.

Why do I say my job is a joke? Because a highschool drop out could teach some of my classes.

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Respect is also something that needs to earned.


Its not just me they disrespect. They show no respect towards my supervisor as well. They know that she isn't going to do anything. She is too afraid a student might quit and that would put her in hot water with the owner. This is why most English hagwons are not even close to being real schools. More like an afterschool music academy. Except the kids show more respect towards their music instructors.

At least they don't hit and swear at her like they do to me.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats the deal at your school Alias.

It is not the deal at every Hakwon in Korea.
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Alias



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just most of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alias...you worked at most of them?

Or at least visited most of them right?

If not you are talking through your hat.

Not saying most of them are good here either.
Saying yours seems to be bad.
Mine is quite good.
Most are probably in between that.
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