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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:28 am Post subject: Samsung Galaxy S4: what the analysts (and others) say |
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Some of the others say it's sexist...No, really?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/mar/15/samsung-galaxy-s4-launch-analysts
"And finally, there's some real anger directed not at the handset itself, but at the way that Samsung introduced it. Molly Wood, at CNet, was outraged by the "tone deaf and shockingly sexist" proceedings: "I don't get offended very often. But Samsung's long parade of '50s-era female stereotypes, in the midst of an entirely other long parade of bad stereotypes, just put me over the edge. Oh, they announced a phone? You'd barely know it."
"Part of the target of her ire - given that, in her view, all the participants seemed like stereotypes, including the "tow-headed kid" who trotted on stage - was that at a time when Yahoo is run by a woman and Facebook's second most senior person is also female, the women on stage were, well, ultra-stereotypical:
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And,
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/03/live-samsungs-grand-galaxy-s-iv-event/63125/
From the link above we get a more direct point to the sexist part...
"Samsung Puts Women in Their Place During Galaxy S IV Launch"
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/03/samsung-puts-women-their-place-during-galaxy-s-iv-launch/63129/ |
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Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Nanjing
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:51 am Post subject: |
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I want to see the pictures of the models. We must have something visual to reference before we can properly evaluate these lady writers' complaints.  |
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optik404

Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Haven't seen the show but by the description doesn't seem sexist. At least the women looked like your average female. Not some thin model. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:49 am Post subject: |
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optik404 wrote: |
Haven't seen the show but by the description doesn't seem sexist. At least the women looked like your average female. Not some thin model. |
I take it you don't understand what sexism is or you didn't click on the link? Remember, this is the Samsung Galaxy IV Launch in NY City, not Seoul, S. Korea ~
"The launch event for Samsung's new Samsung Galaxy S IV phone verged on offensive when the emcee used a group of bridesmaids (pictured above) to illustrate all the woman things the phone can do, like cooking and weight loss and wedding planning � oh my. For example, Samsung used the gaggle in heels to introduce S Health, which, as the name suggests, uses sensors to monitor your health. As one of the women sipping wine on stage squealed, women would like this because... "weight!" And that was just the end of it. At one point, a burly man distracted a woman who used one of the photo features to take a pic of him. Then, he took off his shirt. In another demo, the women talked about how the air gesture controls would come in handy while cooking because of... "sticky fingers." (Possible double entendre sex pun there?) At one point the phrase "while the women are cooling off" got thrown in there. Sigh." |
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sethzor
Joined: 03 Feb 2012
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:09 am Post subject: |
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That's just stupid. People need to relax and stop looking for sexism / racism / homophobia / whatever everywhere. |
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Davidbcnu
Joined: 29 Feb 2012 Location: Montana
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:23 am Post subject: Note2 |
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I traded the apple ipad 4 cdma version I was given for xmas at my driving job in North Dakota for the galaxy note II. The new galaxy IV is nice but...hold out for the line of phablets that will follow.
I believe Samsung is unstoppable and will continue to hold Apple computer/phone users to the sect that they have always been in>> graphic designers or the small % of die hard fans. |
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optik404

Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Los Angeloser wrote: |
optik404 wrote: |
Haven't seen the show but by the description doesn't seem sexist. At least the women looked like your average female. Not some thin model. |
I take it you don't understand what sexism is or you didn't click on the link? Remember, this is the Samsung Galaxy IV Launch in NY City, not Seoul, S. Korea ~
"The launch event for Samsung's new Samsung Galaxy S IV phone verged on offensive when the emcee used a group of bridesmaids (pictured above) to illustrate all the woman things the phone can do, like cooking and weight loss and wedding planning � oh my. For example, Samsung used the gaggle in heels to introduce S Health, which, as the name suggests, uses sensors to monitor your health. As one of the women sipping wine on stage squealed, women would like this because... "weight!" And that was just the end of it. At one point, a burly man distracted a woman who used one of the photo features to take a pic of him. Then, he took off his shirt. In another demo, the women talked about how the air gesture controls would come in handy while cooking because of... "sticky fingers." (Possible double entendre sex pun there?) At one point the phrase "while the women are cooling off" got thrown in there. Sigh." |
So basically they made references to things women actually care about? Like every women's magazine in the world talks about these topics. |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:54 am Post subject: |
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sethzor wrote: |
That's just stupid. People need to relax and stop looking for sexism / racism / homophobia / whatever everywhere. |
This. People are so sensitive nowadays. |
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3DR
Joined: 24 May 2009
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:56 am Post subject: |
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optik404 wrote: |
Los Angeloser wrote: |
optik404 wrote: |
Haven't seen the show but by the description doesn't seem sexist. At least the women looked like your average female. Not some thin model. |
I take it you don't understand what sexism is or you didn't click on the link? Remember, this is the Samsung Galaxy IV Launch in NY City, not Seoul, S. Korea ~
"The launch event for Samsung's new Samsung Galaxy S IV phone verged on offensive when the emcee used a group of bridesmaids (pictured above) to illustrate all the woman things the phone can do, like cooking and weight loss and wedding planning � oh my. For example, Samsung used the gaggle in heels to introduce S Health, which, as the name suggests, uses sensors to monitor your health. As one of the women sipping wine on stage squealed, women would like this because... "weight!" And that was just the end of it. At one point, a burly man distracted a woman who used one of the photo features to take a pic of him. Then, he took off his shirt. In another demo, the women talked about how the air gesture controls would come in handy while cooking because of... "sticky fingers." (Possible double entendre sex pun there?) At one point the phrase "while the women are cooling off" got thrown in there. Sigh." |
So basically they made references to things women actually care about? Like every women's magazine in the world talks about these topics. |
lol I know right? |
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Meh. It was over-the-top, corny, and satirical in my eyes. Not sexist. Meant to catch attention and compete with Apple. Kreist they had a full orchestra performing. It was like a broadway play, and seeing as the event was in New York, that was probably the intention.
When I googled 'Galaxy S4 launch', I didn't get any links about sexism. The big tech writers on the first page of the search result, or 'the anaysts' as you say, were actually raving about the presentation. For example, this was the most negative of quotes on the first page of google, which I agree with :
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The corny gags and skits � sandwiched between dense recitations of technical specifications � didn�t go over well with the armchair critics on Twitter. But the tourists in Times Square and the people watching the live-stream video at home got a free taste of something vaguely resembling Broadway |
http://go.bloomberg.com/tech-blog/2013-03-14-samsungs-galaxy-s4-launch-was-from-another-planet/
Watch for yourself:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/9931875/Samsung-Galaxy-S4-launch-demonstrates-new-features.html
Western women buy iPhones anyway. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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How is it any more offensive than commercial in America for cleaning products? They almost always show a women in the house wearing a pastel colored shirt and capri pants doing the work. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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crescent wrote: |
Meh. It was over-the-top, corny, and satirical in my eyes. Not sexist. Meant to catch attention and compete with Apple. Kreist they had a full orchestra performing. It was like a broadway play, and seeing as the event was in New York, that was probably the intention.
When I googled 'Galaxy S4 launch', I didn't get any links about sexism. The big tech writers on the first page of the search result, or 'the anaysts' as you say, were actually raving about the presentation. For example, this was the most negative of quotes on the first page of google, which I agree with :
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The corny gags and skits � sandwiched between dense recitations of technical specifications � didn�t go over well with the armchair critics on Twitter. But the tourists in Times Square and the people watching the live-stream video at home got a free taste of something vaguely resembling Broadway |
http://go.bloomberg.com/tech-blog/2013-03-14-samsungs-galaxy-s4-launch-was-from-another-planet/
Watch for yourself:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/samsung/9931875/Samsung-Galaxy-S4-launch-demonstrates-new-features.html
Western women buy iPhones anyway. |
What? We have a bunch of guys here stating that it ain't sexist, who'd a thunk it?
And yes, Google and Samsung are partners and they protect Samsung when possible. So you have to be specific with your Samsung searches, but you missed one of your "big tech writers" or CNET...
"Samsung GS4 launch: Tone-deaf and shockingly sexist"
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-57574466-256/samsung-gs4-launch-tone-deaf-and-shockingly-sexist/
"But you know what's even better than better acting, better production, and better script-writing? Dumping the crappy female stereotypes in the first place. In fact, I would have settled for the "slightly better" scenario of including only 1 or 2 crappy female stereotypes. Once you get hit with 5, 6, 8, or 10 in a row, it really starts to feel a lot less hilarious.
I started my journalism career as a sports writer. I've been in the tech industry for 14 years. I'm pretty good and used to being one of a few women in the room, and it generally suits me just fine because there's never a line for the restroom and I can take it. But once in a while, once in a very rare while, something comes along that I just absolutely can't ignore. And this show was one of those things." |
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: yes.
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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LOL! Now you're saying that Google went out of its way to demote sexist search results regarding the S4 launch? Right, because I'm sure Google would like it's users to buy the S4 specifically over it's own Nexus line of phones.
This is what happens when people write about things they are not informed about. Now I'm left wondering if you actually watched the entire launch or you're just believing some sell-out journalist wailing in her PCness.
I didn't 'miss' the CNet piece, I stated is was not a result on Google. And by that, I meant that 'the analysts' are not as worked up over this as you said they were. That journalist for CNet admitted her long career in sports journalism. Gee, I wonder why she tends to spot sexism so easily? Maybe having to bottle it up for so long has something to do with it?
She clearly doesn't get the fact that the 'bad writing and acting and cliches' were INTENTIONAL!!!
Here's a rundown of the skits that the CNET writer claimed was sexism "ten times in a row".
Intro: a boy in an old Chauffer driven Rolls Royce gets driven to Radio City and the video pauses as the doorman lets the boy inside. 'The announcer says "We're ready for the show" in an obvious broadway tone.
He continues to say "Out of makeup, head-dress, and feathers" you wouldn't recognize any of us". The boy also says "Did you forget your script?" (Hmmm... what are we setting up here?)
Well, that's clear, when the MC says "All this unique innovation deserves a unique launch. This presentation is going to be different than what you're all used to because we're in Radio City Music Hall"
1st skit: the announcer, in clear over-the-top broadway tone describes a father not able to take photos of his daughter's ballet performance. Cliche or Sexist?
2nd skit: a father videoing his boy's tap-dance. Sexist?
3rd skit: 2 guys backpacking, meet male locals and can't communicate in the local language while asking for directions to normal tourist sites . Cliche or sexist?
4th skit: the backpacker mentions that the phone 'won't judge' a 5-legged cat. Sexist?
5th skit: another backpacker romances a Brazillian woman who is dressed in an outdated skirt, and then ponders sending her his photos of their time together. Cliche or sexist?
6th skit: two backpacking friends meet up and share photos. The family comments on the photos. Sexist?
7th skit: a male New Yorker actor talks about how his phone communicates with his car. Cliche or Sexist?
8th skit: a woman actor in obvious retro attire and opera gloves demonstrates through an obvious outdated broadway-style monologue tone how the touchscreen works with gloves. Sexist?
9th skit: same woman with over-the-top intonation talks about phone features Sexist?
10th skit: a boy asks for money from his father in a phone call. Sexist?
11th skit: Women in Miami continuing with the theme of outdated attire and hairstyles and over-the-top tone, talk about one woman's wedding. They are planning her wedding party, using the phone to share music. They explain all the features of how to play music on the phone Sexist?
(Hint: How is it that it's sexist to show women who know extensive info about technology and how to operate it?)
12th skit: One woman's fiance (hint: who the MC says plays golf only for the presentation), talks over the phone with the women who are together to demonstrate dual video calling. Then the fianc� shows him photos of the hotel she chose for their honeymoon. Sexist?
13th skit: The same women explain they can use touchless gestures with the phone if their nails are wet, or if they have sticky figures, or sunscreen on them. One of the woman watches a video and gets distracted by a hunky male? The joke continues as she continues to be distracted. Cliche or sexist?
Last skit: One of the women from the previous group with same over-the top broadway tone shows how the phone calculates calories, sleep patterns, blood pressure levels, and other health aspects. Sexist?
Yes, clearly it was a constant display of sexism, 10 times in a row. *eye roll*.
By the way, the guys commenting here on the 'sexism' slant do live in Korea. I'm pretty sure we know sexism when we see it. It's all around us in many forms. To any reasonable person without a chip on their shoulder, that launch cannot be mistaken as a literal representation of any views on women, but rather an obvious over-the-top parody of a broadway show. The MC even announced they had invited real broadway performers to perform. C'mon, it was at Radio City! Why else do you think they wore 50's costumes and hairstyles and chucked out cheesy, cliche lines?
What's clear about this, is that quite a few Amuricuns need to untwist their undies. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:14 am Post subject: |
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I've had about enough of the PC/Feminist crap.
Was reminded of just how much as I watched this news report about Kourtney Kardashian, or whatever her name is, crying because her man told her she was too fat. Then the news chick -- reporter -- or whatever you call them these days, launched into a tirade about how she should end it with him because he said that and "no husband should ever tell his wife that."
Yes, women of the USA, many of you are freaking FAT. Compared to the rest of the world, massively so. So are many men in the USA -- and I'll give you a clue... denial will just get you fatter. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Swampfox10mm wrote: |
I've had about enough of the PC/Feminist crap.
Yes, women of the USA, many of you are freaking FAT. Compared to the rest of the world, massively so. So are many men in the USA -- and I'll give you a clue... denial will just get you fatter. |
So you would probably side with the Vatican(Catholic Cardinals/Priests) when they say nuns are hosting speakers promoting "radical feminist themes" then huh? The nuns(and women in general) should just sit down, shut up, cook, clean, etc...and obey aye?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57574635/american-nuns-speak-out-on-60-minutes/
Well, since it seems a handful of male ESL teachers know what is/isn't sexist how about looking at the Galaxy S IV? Why does Samsung need to receive gov't subsidies to compete?
"Galaxy S4 could be a wake-up call"
http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/Article.aspx?aid=2968765
"Samsung Electronics� new flagship Galaxy S4 smartphone could hit a snag on its home turf: subsidies offered by mobile carriers to phone buyers."
"Sales are expected to begin here next month. But given the precedents, it is highly likely the majority of consumers will take a wait-and-see attitude instead of snatching the flagship Samsung phone from stores right after its release, given the precedents."
"Even so, many Korean consumers appear cautious about purchasing the new model: Past drastic pricing tactics may have pumped up the sales, but they could boomerang this time."
�Anyone with common sense would wait for the [S4] price to fall,� said Kim Yoon-soo, a 34-year-old office worker who bought the S3 at its initial retail price. �I have observed the price nose dive in the past months and some others buy it for almost free. But I still have to pay tens of thousands of won in monthly installments for the machine for the next 16 months.�
�The S3 case not only gave those users who have been loyal to the Samsung brand a sense of deprivation, but also put a long-lasting stigma on Samsung,� writes a widely recognized Korean tech blogger known as Vierge."
BTW, 3 of 10 Koreans are OBESE says this Hospital study video, but being underweight isn't very healthy either. Together, with a bunch of over/underweight people you have a bunch of unhealthy people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjYwvqPzXUE |
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