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Jeweltone



Joined: 29 Mar 2005
Location: Seoul, S. Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 4:29 pm    Post subject: Returning to Korea...6 years later? Reply with quote

Hello everyone.

The ESL "industry" in America, particularly California, is falling to pieces (thanks Gov. Brown!), so I am seriously considering returning to "the scene of the crime" where I discovered my love of ESL teaching. I am still searching locally, but I am also considering going international again - trying to figure out the "new" (to me) E2 requirements. Shocked

I am well-qualified (MA English, TESOL professional certificate from UC) for uni jobs in Korea, and I am now teaching at a small, Asian-run graduate school right now (and watching my hours reduced from 30 to 12 due to the school's restructuring). In fact, I did teach at unis for over a year in Korea. Check my post history if you want to hear my tale.

The problem? I left an awesome uni gig in Korea two weeks before finals in 2007 due to an extremely dangerous medical crisis, that, had I stayed in Korea, would have killed me due to continuous misdiagnosis by Korean doctors. I am better now - it took a Stanford and Harvard-educated doc to figure out what was going on - but the crisis left some permanent damage. It is perfectly well-managed by the off-use of a common prescription medication, and I have been given clearance by my docs to go back overseas (as long as it is not to a third-world country.)

Here are my questions:
1. Is there any special benefit to working at unis in Korea now, as compared to 2007? Korea/Korean students seem to be my destiny, as I have only been able to get work in America...for Korean and Chinese "bosses." Laughing

2. Has anyone successfully rebounded from a situation that "looked bad" in Korea? Does anyone at Immi keep records from that long ago?

3. Can anybody give me the name of a good GI doctor who doesn't over-medicate (which sent me into the health disaster)? I have heard through the Korean grapevine here in America that there is an excellent English-speaking GI in Korea, but I don't have a name.

Thanks for any help you can give.
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Scorpion



Joined: 15 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Returning to Korea...6 years later? Reply with quote

Jeweltone wrote:
(as long as it is not to a third-world country.)


What do you think South Korea is? Don't confuse the strong economy with it being a 'first world' country.
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hogwonguy1979



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why come back to Korea? you're qualified for far better paying jobs in the middle east.

Univ market here has been going downhill fast, lots of competition, teaching hours have increased, demands of admin (such as teaching conv and essay writing in the same one semester class) have gotten more, pay has stagnated. only thing that keeps people here is the vacations and those are getting cut
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What he just said, plus even more looks and age discrimination. Different breed of foriegners here. Younger ones really outnumber the older ones much more than before. Use to be more mixed. The place has a very different feel. In some ways good and in some ways bad. If memory is giving you positive nostalgia, you'll be both amazed and disappointed when arriving. Simply put, I've noticed changes over the past several years. Many long timers can probably point out things too.
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Jeweltone



Joined: 29 Mar 2005
Location: Seoul, S. Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had both good and bad experiences in Korea. As I said, I am still working for Koreans (indirectly), but for low wages, no benefits, and crappy hours in the good ol' USA. CA community colleges are getting a smackdown by the government, and it is next to impossible to get tenure anywhere. The US goverment claims they need ESL teachers, but I don't see it anywhere. I am also applying for ELF, though.

If I am going to be treated like this, I may as well get paid for it.

I am still keeping options open in the USA - I have been presenting at TESOL conferences, for example - but I need to consider other options also. I am also applying for everything I remotely qualify for. The Chinese headhunters have also been calling...

The middle east is not even on my radar, as females get abused even worse by the system there, especially the single over 30 teachers.

I am 37 years old now, btw - not old, not young, but still energetic - my students inspire me everyday by their enthusiasm. The age doesn't bother mee too much; if any 20 something whippersnapper can keep up with me, he or she is welcome to try!
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Waygeek



Joined: 27 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Returning to Korea...6 years later? Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
Jeweltone wrote:
(as long as it is not to a third-world country.)


What do you think South Korea is?


A first world country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World

Only racist morons think otherwise.

OP I wish I was in your position, you sound very qualified! Make sure to put down that you are making TESOL presentations in your C.V., I imagine a Uni will snap you up.
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augustine



Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Returning to Korea...6 years later? Reply with quote

Waygeek wrote:
Only racist morons think otherwise.


You're just naive and probably a biased gyopo using BS heated terms to shut down an argument. Technologically Korea is undoubtedly a first world country, but culturally they're pretty far behind and don't seem to be coping well; drinking cheap poison like whackos, passing out in the street, killing themselves like crazy, working insane hours and being a pretty miserable group of people overall... there are some serious problems here.
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Waygeek



Joined: 27 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Returning to Korea...6 years later? Reply with quote

augustine wrote:
Waygeek wrote:
Only racist morons think otherwise.


You're just naive and probably a biased gyopo


LAWL! I'm as a white as they come.

South Korea undoubtedly has some pretty serious problems. I've never said otherwise.

But show me a country that doesn't.
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Scorpion



Joined: 15 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, but I've never visited a first world country where I can smell the sewers. In Korea the stench is inescapable during the summer. Not something one has to endure in first world countries, but a pretty common thing in the third world.

Korea, you've got a ways to go yet!
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Waygeek



Joined: 27 Feb 2013

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
Sorry, but I've never visited a first world country where I can smell the sewers.


Yes you have. Korea.

They modernized too fast, yep. Built up but never considered the down. I don't like the fact that around 15% of street-corners smell either. And it's not just waste, sometimes Korea is a little smelly in a lot of ways. The government needs to take a serious look at their sewage system. We can't even flush toilet paper (though I do and always have).

But only a baboon in human clothing would consider that to be criteria for whether or not a country is first world or not.
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jjajangmyun



Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: way down south!

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Returning to Korea...6 years later? Reply with quote

augustine wrote:
You're just naive and probably a biased gyopo using BS heated terms to shut down an argument. Technologically Korea is undoubtedly a first world country, but culturally they're pretty far behind and don't seem to be coping well; drinking cheap poison like whackos, passing out in the street, killing themselves like crazy, working insane hours and being a pretty miserable group of people overall... there are some serious problems here.


those damned biased gyopos Laughing always having their opinions.
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sirius black



Joined: 04 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Uni gigs are still on average the better gigs.
2. 6 years is long enough all is forgiven. I think, not 100 percent sure but there is a 2 year wait before you can come back after a runner.
3. No idea. You may want to see if your American medical people have any referrals or even find Korean American doctors who may have info about GIs in Korea.

My guess is you'll be fine workwise. In terms of social conditions, there has been a few changes. Its up to you and how you are as a person to determine if the Koera of 2013 is your taste. My guess is you'll be okay. Lilke some things, not others. Medical issues aside, you're worryiing too much.
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Scorpion



Joined: 15 Apr 2012

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waygeek wrote:
But only a baboon in human clothing would consider that to be criteria for whether or not a country is first world or not.


"Baboon in human clothing." I like that. I might even use it in a future post.

Thanks mate. Very Happy
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No_hite_pls



Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Returning to Korea...6 years later? Reply with quote

Waygeek wrote:
augustine wrote:
Waygeek wrote:
Only racist morons think otherwise.


You're just naive and probably a biased gyopo


LAWL! I'm as a white as they come.

South Korea undoubtedly has some pretty serious problems. I've never said otherwise.

But show me a country that doesn't.


Ain't that the truth!
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
Waygeek wrote:
But only a baboon in human clothing would consider that to be criteria for whether or not a country is first world or not.


"Baboon in human clothing." I like that. I might even use it in a future post.

Thanks mate. Very Happy


LOL. Waygeek is either talking about 'alpha males' vs 'beta males', threatening to beat up posters, or talking about 'baboons in human clothing'. Anyone see a theme?

Tone down the monkey business a bit, son.
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